I have said it many times and maintain that I just don't rate Holdsworth. Barring the odd flash of class he really has more bad games than good. We really should've speaking with Cas and hijacking Salford's Chase signing and offer DJ the other way. We'll never win anything with him in the halves.

We will need a goal kicker but other than that we won't miss Tickle one bit.

Still need big changes to be successful...

Not been impressed with him at all....was expecting a lot more,like you say..take away his kicking game,which is hit and miss as well and he isnt really that good.Personally wouldnt go any where near Chase either...vastly over-rated and think he is good in a lower team...another Denis Moran.

Maybe, but he just has that ability to create something from nothing. Especially when his team is on the back foot!! We certainly need something different!!

played poor on sat as did most, still think he can do a job for us though,

He's had maybe 5 or 6 good performances this season and at that I'd have to think about which they were, he's the primary factor behind our awful attack. I didn't rate him when he signed and I've seen nothing to change my mind!!

At least Miller tried something on Saturday and I felt sorry for him as nothing seemed to come off for him. DJ might aswell have stayed in bed. He's a passenger!!

Would anybody try out:

6 Horne
7 Miller

9 Heremia

13 Holdsworth

I do feel Holdsworth kicking game is a valuable asset, one we've missed in recent years! Moving him to 13 would allow Horne to slot back into the halves with Miller!

Worth a try?

I think it's a terrible idea.

I did wonder about Miller SH and Horne OH, not Holdsworth at loose, though.

I know it wouldn't be my first choice, I just think having him off the pitch would set our kicking game back 2-3 years!

Miller and Horne would be good. Miller has shown glimpses of some Benji-esque kicking (can't remember which game it was where he kicked it from half way and hit the post, had the fb scrambling and turned the opp around) and Horne seems to have pulled a kicking game out of thin air this season

Also think Horne kicks better at 6, along with the rest of his game there. His maturity would replace Holdsworth's experience next to the young Miller. Gentle loves Holdsworth, though, but to the extent where it's a Galea-esque blind spot? Hope not.

Holdsworth has shortcomings with the ball but we wouldn't have got anywhere near Wembley without him in the semi final.

we wouldnt have beaten warrington,but for holdsworth.whiting and heremias tries both created by him.

He took a head shot early in the game - maybe his confidence drops ?

Our halfbacks are not the problem , the pack is .
Lynch and Watts have been disappointing . Tickle apart from his goalkicking will not be missed. Westerman is average at best.
Ellis has not hit the heights expected of him.
We need some aggression ASAP . Lets hope the Club have been busy addressing the above.
Our halfbacks will perform with a platform to work off. In the pack this year the loss of Manu and Moa has been massive.
My choice would be to sign James Graham , Hock and Manu .

we have more problems in the forewards than the backs.our success in 2005 was partly due to carvell,king,thackery and kearney giving us a great go foreward.

it was only 2 weeks ago people where saying wrap holdsworth up in cotton wool, now its get rid, he is what he is, and imo still the best option we have

Imagine what a good half back would've created...

As I said, far more bad games than good!!

Don't rate him, never have never will!!!

When people say daft things like this you can safely discount their opinion. Anyone who rules out changing their opinion of a player regardless of how well they might play in the future is foolish or biased. Possibly both.

We have to find a place in the starting line up for horne on Friday IMO. Still our highest number of try assists by some margin

How was Horne match fit? And how did Holdsworth 'vanish' to get us to Wembley?

Ok, sorry. Meant that I've not seen anything to change my mind!! My opinion is that he's distinctly average, overrated and over hyped and at 28 is not likely to get a great deal better. That said he's probably the best that we will attract!!

Wembley was nothing to do with halfbacks, dummy runners, creativity etc, we simply dropped the ball too much and it cost us the game.

Wigan dropped the ball nearly as much as us, just they did it better than us too

Correct but our inability to score points or attack effectively ALL SEASON is to do with halfbacks etc.. That great defence can only hold out so long. Fact is Wigan could've scored a lot more with the chances they had but bombed.. We never looked like scoring (barring Shaul's break) and caused Wigan no trouble at all..