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| Quote ="Rock God X"The thread might not be about Briscoe, but as it's about how well (or not) Lynn played, I thought it was quite relevant to compare an aspect of his play for which you had criticised him with that of one of our internationals. It is enbumbent upon Briscoe to return the balls kicked to him with purpose as much as it is the full back.'"
The problem for me was that everytime they kicked he was always too close to either touch line, leaving a massive gap in between him and which ever winger had dropped back. It just seemed he had no brain for playing FB.
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| Quote ="Ian P"Ah so Reece cops the blame.......
He has now got the benefit of having coach who will bring out the best in him in time, remember Yeaman was simply dire for a long while and lets not even mention Sharp and Turner last terms whipping boys.
Too many injuries, too many inexperienced players, some senior players having shall we say an off day and other players injured during the encounter. This was always going to happen today and it will happen again and again, our squad is not deep enough or right and its not PG team.
We have been punching above our weight and we will again when we get enough fit bodies together, hopefully towards the end of this month things should improve week on week. Until then lets be happy we are where we are in the league and thankfully we went out to a better team in the cup.'"
Unless I've missed something, I don't think anyone has actually blamed Reece for today's loss...
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| As I've said on the Ellis thread, it is far more difficult for backs to get to grips with SL than it is forwards. Backs are often exposed one on one and mistakes invariably cost tries.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The thread might not be about Briscoe, but as it's about how well (or not) Lynn played, I thought it was quite relevant to compare an aspect of his play for which you had criticised him with that of one of our internationals. It is enbumbent upon Briscoe to return the balls kicked to him with purpose as much as it is the full back.'"
Firstly, I criticised the combination of his ambling, lack of confidence with a bouncing ball, and his positional play. It's the 3 together that I thought was the real problem. Personally, if I was playing at fullback continually being turned around and without being confident of picking the ball up (which is a bit of a problem in itself for a professional RL player), I'd be making sure I got to the ball as quickly as I could to give myself as much time as possible, not casually strolling about with a strong kick chase breathing down my neck.
Secondly, I said it was Briscoe's job when his side is targetted. But seeing as a winger tends not to be the one to return the ball as often as the fullback, by it's nature it's less of a problem even though it is still one that should be eradicated.
Thirdly, Briscoe offers us far more in every other aspect of the game than Lyne, not least being the quality of his return once he does gather the ball. I'm not trying to pretend Briscoe doesn't have faults and I never have, but I can see what he offers to make up for them. With Lyne I can't, really.
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| For me, his contribution to the game was very little in the way of positive. If you were to break his game down, it doesn't make good reading at all. Not wanting to completely put a downer on the kid, but if you look at what he offered he REALLY needs a lot of work.
He looked very nervous catching high balls, and dropped a simple one. His positional play was shocking, which meant he was never really in a position to catch high balls anyway (possibly linked?). His pace to chase down players on the break was ordinary at best (I thought this kid was meant to be rapid?). His kick returns were weak, as a result of the lack of positional sense, pace and bulk to make any sort of impact in the tackle (ultimately resulting in him getting smashed in each tackle, held up, worked to the floor and turned in his back. Never a quick PTB). He never offered any extra options or supported players on the break. He very rarely joined the attacking line until the end.
To me, the only positive for having him in the team was that he was young and not injured. I don't think that's enough of a reason to pick a player in all honesty, but we're getting to a point where we have little choice. I personally would give another youngster a go against Wigan if we have no other options. Lyne just has too much to work on at the moment and have no reason as to why he should keep his shirt. Players need that desire, and he's not shown it just yet.
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| Pro players are always going to be criticised (quite rightly) The fans pay their money to watch these people. For me Reece lacks composure and positional sense to be a fullback,never mind a good fullback. His lack of confidence in his catching ability is so apparent and I am very surprised Brough let him off lightly today.
I also don't think he's fast enough to be a SL winger.
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| Quote ="darran67"Yep, and add to that hes too skinny and light cant make any impact comming out from under the sticks .
But hes probarbly got the job for week or so untill we get some bodies back !!!'" And Wigan's full back is a 6foot odd and carry 17 stone " yer right "
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| Quote ="kt170496"And Wigan's full back is a 6foot odd and carry 17 stone
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and thats just his ego!
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| Quote ="kt170496"And Wigan's full back is a 6foot odd and carry 17 stone
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No he's isn't but he plays like he is, it's called desire and commitment. I don't believe Reece has any tbh.
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| If a player is good enough he is bigger enough ,Size count for nothing if you have a rugby brain
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| Quote ="kt170496"If a player is good enough he is bigger enough ,Size count for nothing if you have a rugby brain'"
Well that would appear to rule Reece out as well.
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| I'm surprised in this injury crisis that another highly rated young prospect, Jack Briscoe, hasnt been mentioned for a possible call up. He hasnt been sent out on duel contract either which i find strange given the amount of youngsters you have sent out for experience.
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| Quote ="R.B.A"I'm surprised in this injury crisis that another highly rated young prospect, Jack Briscoe, hasnt been mentioned for a possible call up. He hasnt been sent out on duel contract either which i find strange given the amount of youngsters you have sent out for experience.'"
I think he was 18th man today.
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| His kick returns were weak, as a result of the lack of positional sense, pace and bulk to make any sort of impact in the tackle (ultimately resulting in him getting smashed in each tackle, held up, worked to the floor and turned in his back. Never a quick PTB) when did you see this? no better or worse than any of the backs really! in fact his first carry stood up n never got took too ground and won a pen fighting for another quick play of the ball. different players are taught different ways to carry ball into contact in different ways in different scenarios. cos he didn't put ball under one arm and charge in doesn't make it weak. Against rovers 20s last week he ran over top of couple of players this week against set lines of big men it was ball in 2hands late foot work n try push through the tackle. Ever speak to a 1st team player about the technical aspects n its an eye opener to how technical the small things are. Bet his metres in contact were comparable to any of the backs!
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| use to play the year above him and use to watch his games. yes he use to stroll in for try after try because of his pace at that level but hes never had a challenge or had to develop his game that time is now and its not happening he just doesnt look to have anything apart from athleticism we will see hopefully he will get better but if hes any position it isnt full back lets see if gentle can work his magic and get reece to were we all wanna see him had the potential to be international level lets not keep knocking these youngsters though they need our support more then anyone
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| When does Lyne's contract run out? I can imagine him leaving at the end of the season. With McKinnon's injury history I would expect that Gentle and McRae might be looking out for a young player to act as his understudy for next season, unless Shaul comes through.
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| 2013, same as Jack Briscoe.
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| Quote ="airliebird,runninglate!" when did you see this? no better or worse than any of the backs really! in fact his first carry stood up n never got took too ground and won a pen fighting for another quick play of the ball. different players are taught different ways to carry ball into contact in different ways in different scenarios. cos he didn't put ball under one arm and charge in doesn't make it weak. Against rovers 20s last week he ran over top of couple of players this week against set lines of big men it was ball in 2hands late foot work n try push through the tackle. Ever speak to a 1st team player about the technical aspects n its an eye opener to how technical the small things are. Bet his metres in contact were comparable to any of the backs!'"
The majority of the kick returns he took in were poor. He gets wrapped up in the tackle, held up, and worked to the floor slowly. This gives the Huddersfield line the chance to set their defence for the rest of the set, and ruins our chances of making some good territory from the resulting runs at the broken defence had we gotten a quick play the ball.
I'm not sure what you're implying about the "under one arm and charge" comment. What makes him weak is his inability to challenge the defender (no footwork to go around and no strength to bust a tackle), and his resulting submission to the tackler sees him dominated and unable to play quickly. He really needs to be able to offer a quick PTB if he can't challenge the line. I've spoken to Brian McDermott a few times in Leeds on his coaching seminars when I was living there last year, so I'm not exactly ignorant to the technical sides of the game.
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| Unfortunately i couldn't make the game today so can't comment on his performance. when he first signed a pro contract it was said he was already the fastest in our squad (aged just 17) but on here it's said he had no pace...is this the case?
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| Quote ="jamesg794"Unfortunately i couldn't make the game today so can't comment on his performance. when he first signed a pro contract it was said he was already the fastest in our squad (aged just 17) but on here it's said he had no pace...is this the case?'"
He looked pretty ordinary for pace and had plenty of chances to show it with the number of breaks Huddersfield made.
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| Another Tommy Lee at the very best I am afraid. I saw him as a youngster and never really was blown away by his commitment at club level. Sure he was big and fast , youth RL is full of them. HARDLY any go on to make it
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| I agree with Rock Gods comments.
Also if there is a SL player in there, Peter Gentle will see it.
Many on here wanted Sharpy out this season and PG has done a great coaching job on him. Now most everyone see him as good player.
Reece is young, has little big game experience. He can only get better and in time we may see PG can develop him as well.
Lets not be too hasty in dismissing a young player. He needs more games before we can judge him.
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| Hopefully Reece will do some serious improving and go on to be a good SL player but currently he looks a million miles away from that. It was difficult to find a redeeming feature about his game yesterday as everything just looked below the standard required. The physical aspects like speed and strength were poor, particularly his speed. The technical aspects like catching and passing were also poor and then the mental side of the game like positioning was also lacking. I want to give the kid a chance but he needs to show something to make it worthwhile perseverering with him and not just in the U20s.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Another Tommy Lee at the very best I am afraid. I saw him as a youngster and never really was blown away by his commitment at club level. Sure he was big and fast , youth RL is full of them. HARDLY any go on to make it'"
Wasn't Tommy Lee keeping Lunt out of the Hudds side?
Aren't Hudds fans impressed with him?
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| Maybe a stint playing at a lower level on a regular basis will do him some good. He is our 4th choice fullback so he is never going to get a long run at fullback if thats his prefered choice.
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