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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"icon_thumb.gif
There's no doubt players will be sold should they go into administration, that's a given, but as you say, it's the revelling, the rubbing of hands together and overall crass attitude that I saw earlier in this thread which really got my back up.'"
Like the post above yours, I imagine.
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| The attitudes of some people on here is appalling. The vultures were circling before the end of the first page. This is a club steeped in history and that helped form the sport that we all love, and it'd be a sad day if they were to go out of existence.
I understand why you'd be excited about maybe getting some of their talented youth on the cheap, but think about the bigger picture please.
edit: I do, however, think it's appalling that they've got to the stage where they've publicly said 'If every Bulls fan gives us £100 we should be alright'.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Do you know a good lawyer?'"
I guess you don't Tarquin, so I've edited the potentially libellous bits out for you. Have a read of the AUP 1.2a.
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| Quote ="Panda92"The attitudes of some people on here is appalling. The vultures were circling before the end of the first page. This is a club steeped in history and that helped form the sport that we all love, and it'd be a sad day if they were to go out of existence.'"
While I agree with most of your points here, and some of the comments on this thread have been unedifying to say the least, Bradford went out of business before and eventually reformed and became stronger then ever. The current incarnation of the club has only been around since 1964 so suggesting that this crisis would necessarily mean that they'd be lost to the game forever may be wide of the mark.
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| The bulls dominated the sport for many years, final after final that most clubs can only dream about! They appear to have now run the club into the ground due to greed....There are plenty of teams with a rich history in sport sitting in NL1 who would love the chance to build in the SL and should be given a chance to show they can manage their purse strings....
I care as much about Bradfords situation as they did ours!! it's a bleedin sport not a charity! you can't cut it off you pop, simple!.....I hope Pearson is sniffing about as I type
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I care as much about Bradfords situation as they did ours!'"
How very mature of you.
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| Quote ="Kosh"How very mature of you.'"
How do you work that out then Mr Maturity ?
Am I supposed to care about every person/business who gets skint because they cannot manage their money ? Am I supposed to care about a sport steam who are my rival ?
Maybe I should be hoping they win on Friday just to make them feel better like
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| Bradford went bust in the 1960s and had to restart again, so it's happened to them before.
Their history isn't all that glorious apart from the mid-90s onwards. They had a good spell in the late 1940s and the late 70s, but other than that have not been a consistently top club (although they have spent a lot of years in the top division).
The history of sport in Bradford has been a roller-coaster for their 2 soccer teams, Northern/Bulls, their rugby union team, speedway etc
It's just a city with no money that struggles to support professional sport.
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| They do sound in a right pickle with most fans not trusting the board at all.
If they go into administration are the players contract null & void.
If that is the case then I would expect we will be looking at picking up a player for next years squad, hope Mr Lynch gives us a good rap. I would feel bad for Bradford fans should we get players before the deadline but if we do and everyone is happy (Clubs) then why not.
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| Quote ="TrevLovesJanice"Bradford went bust in the 1960s and had to restart again, so it's happened to them before.
Their history isn't all that glorious apart from the mid-90s onwards. They had a good spell in the late 1940s and the late 70s, but other than that have not been a consistently top club (although they have spent a lot of years in the top division).
The history of sport in Bradford has been a roller-coaster for their 2 soccer teams, Northern/Bulls, their rugby union team, speedway etc
It's just a city with no money that struggles to support professional sport.'"
Personally I dont like em and agree completely with what is said above however I just feel for their fans when here we are argueing and squabbling as we sit 3rd in the League and behind a new owner in Adam Pearson who is taking us places.
Bradford have tried most things including giving Tickets away subsidised season passes and getting the RL to buy their ground which saved this happening a couple of months ago. They have gone bust once and misseda season in the 60's before coming back. Its OK if players become available I don't expect any business to sit back and play the moral high ground card whilst others move in as they invariably would, I just think its sad for their fans and who knows one day it could be us!
Just my views of course, I remember Radford too, and when some of our directors we tried to reneige on the Vaikona deal, (their Coach at the time laughed at us and said, I can't believe our luck) but two wrongs and all that. Expect a back lash on the field on Friday!
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| No amount of sympathy from us is going to help reduce their debt, yet offers for players will help them a lot more. Asking their fans to donate £100 each is a pipe dream, the majority of those same fans are only there because of the massively reduced season tickets they have offered for the 2nd year running.
At the end of the day the board and to an extent the fans are the ones responsible for the debt they have. The fans because all those bandwagonners have deserted them in droves once the trophies stopped coming in and the board for poor decisions.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"How do you work that out then Mr Maturity ?
Am I supposed to care about every person/business who gets skint because they cannot manage their money ? Am I supposed to care about a sport steam who are my rival ?'"
I'd expect a certain amount of empathy for their fans, none of whom are responsible for the state their club is in. I'd expect sufficient class not to be advocating our club actively get involved in making a bad situation worse. I'd at least [ihope[/i for enough maturity not to come out with statements that wouldn't look out of place on a primary school playground.
Maybe I overestimate people.
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Yes - that's exactly what I was suggesting.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd expect a certain amount of empathy for their fans, none of whom are responsible for the state their club is in. I'd expect sufficient class not to be advocating our club actively get involved in making a bad situation worse. I'd at least [ihope[/i for enough maturity not to come out with statements that wouldn't look out of place on a primary school playground.
Maybe I overestimate people.
Yes - that's exactly what I was suggesting.
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I have no sympathy because I supported FC when they shafted us (was you an armchair fans then as well)...
You are in cookooland if you believe clubs will not be sniffing around now as it maybe viewed as bad form, believe me they will and that will include our club!
Like most on here I care very little what your thoughts on people are.
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| Quote ="hullbg"No amount of sympathy from us is going to help reduce their debt, yet offers for players will help them a lot more.'"
Nobody is suggesting that sympathy will help them out. It'd do more than all the sticking in of knives, mind.
Offers for their players will not generate anywhere near enough cash to help them out of this hole.
Quote ="hullbg"At the end of the day the board and to an extent the fans are the ones responsible for the debt they have. The fans because all those bandwagonners have deserted them in droves once the trophies stopped coming in and the board for poor decisions.'"
By definition the fans they have [inow[/i are not responsible at all, as they are the ones still paying to see them play.
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| Quote ="Kosh"=#FF0000I'd expect a certain amount of empathy for their fans, none of whom are responsible for the state their club is in. I'd expect sufficient class not to be advocating our club actively get involved in making a bad situation worse. I'd at least [ihope[/i for enough maturity not to come out with statements that wouldn't look out of place on a primary school playground.
Maybe I overestimate people.
Yes - that's exactly what I was suggesting.
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But they are in a way responsible, the massive drop in attendances will have hit the club hard, and the only way they have been enticed back is with massively discounted passes. If those 10,000 had paid the normal price (£180+ instead of £60/£80) that would have covered their £1M alone in one season.
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I have no sympathy because I supported FC when they shafted us (was you an armchair fans then as well)...'"
Aw, bless. Is that the best you could come up with?
I was around back then as well. I don't hold any grudges against their fans for something that our BOD was implicated in, and that didn't threaten the existence of our club.
Quote ="Marfa Manu"You are in cookooland if you believe clubs will not be sniffing around now as it maybe viewed as bad form, believe me they will and that will include our club!'"
Where exactly have I suggested anything of the sort?
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I bet you used Standee's polling agency for that survey.
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| Quote ="hullbg"But they are in a way responsible, the massive drop in attendances will have hit the club hard, and the only way they have been enticed back is with massively discounted passes. If those 10,000 had paid the normal price (£180+ instead of £60/£80) that would have covered their £1M alone in one season.'"
See my response above. They're pretty much down to their core support, so the fans being hurt [inow[/i are the ones least deserving of it.
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| Quote ="hullbg"But they are in a way responsible, the massive drop in attendances will have hit the club hard, and the only way they have been enticed back is with massively discounted passes. If those 10,000 had paid the normal price (£180+ instead of £60/£80) that would have covered their £1M alone in one season.'"
Ridiculous post.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'd expect a certain amount of empathy for their fans, none of whom are responsible for the state their club is in. I'd expect sufficient class not to be advocating our club actively get involved in making a bad situation worse. I'd at least [ihope[/i for enough maturity not to come out with statements that wouldn't look out of place on a primary school playground.
Maybe I overestimate people.
Yes - that's exactly what I was suggesting.
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Like we did at Wakefield last season when we got Obst....if it was the other way round.,it would be the same thing.
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| Quote ="Neville Bartos"Ridiculous post.'"
So you think those fans would happily have paid the normal price for their pass this season and last??? No they wouldn't hence the reason the passes were massively reduced, a risk by the board which has failed to pay off.
All the board are doing now is asking those passholders to pay the extra £100 their pass would have cost if sold at the standard price, but do you think those fans will dig into their pockets and pay it???
I agree the board are the main reason they are in the mess they are but to say the fans are blameless is a bit blinkered.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Nobody is suggesting that sympathy will help them out. It'd do more than all the sticking in of knives, mind.
Offers for their players will not generate anywhere near enough cash to help them out of this hole.
By definition the fans they have [inow[/i are not responsible at all, as they are the ones still paying to see them play.'"
How do you know that???? 5 clubs may offer £100,000 each for Whitehead,Bateman,Burgess,Kopskack and A.N.other......
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| Quote ="Marfa Manu"I have no sympathy because I supported FC when they shafted us (was you an armchair fans then as well)...
You are in cookooland if you believe clubs will not be sniffing around now as it maybe viewed as bad form, believe me they will and that will include our club!
Like most on here I care very little what your thoughts on people are.'"
I just don't see how you can say it's Bradford's own fault for not managing their money and also be bitter that they took players from us when we allowed the situation to arise by having players not even knowing if they would get paid or not. The very fact that we've been stung by this kind of thing should make us more aware of how the fans feel in all this and prevent us from getting a kick out of it by seeing it as some sort of petty revenge. Don't play the victim and then celebrate the fact we can become the offenders.
And also, I don't think anybody is saying we shouldn't be looking at their players, we definitely should, but there's a difference in simply benefitting from somebody's poor situation and enjoying it whilst doing so.
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| Merge them with Halifax.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"How do you know that???? 5 clubs may offer £100,000 each for Whitehead,Bateman,Burgess,Kopskack and A.N.other......'"
I think it will be somwhere in the middle. Can't see them getting enough from player sales but think they could knock a considerable hole out of it, say about £300-350k.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"I just don't see how you can say it's Bradford's own fault for not managing their money and also be bitter that they took players from us when we allowed the situation to arise by having players not even knowing if they would get paid or not. The very fact that we've been stung by this kind of thing should make us more aware of how the fans feel in all this and prevent us from getting a kick out of it by seeing it as some sort of petty revenge. Don't play the victim and then celebrate the fact we can become the offenders.
And also, I don't think anybody is saying we shouldn't be looking at their players, we definitely should, but there's a difference in simply benefitting from somebody's poor situation and enjoying it whilst doing so.'"
Of course it is Bradfords own fault...They signed a player for 5 yrs only last week! they must have known then that they were in the mire having had to sell the stadium to the RFL because they could not pay them back.. They just about gave the season passes away, they should have been looking to reduce the wage bill..
Like I said Bradford are a rival team I support FC so if they cannot afford to cut it get rid and bring in a team which can, it is simple for me. I doubt this kind of empathy occurred when the Dobbins went to the wall!
I will only enjoy it if we get a couple of decent players.
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