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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Then it's the stewards job to spot these "vexed morons" and eject them. It's really not this difficult.'"
Prior experience indicates otherwise.
We have no control over the stewarding but will cop the flak for the inevitable trouble. That's a lose-lose proposition. Add in the fact that we make no money from selling beer and it seems an even worse idea.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Prior experience indicates otherwise.
We have no control over the stewarding but will cop the flak for the inevitable trouble. That's a lose-lose proposition. Add in the fact that we make no money from selling beer and it seems an even worse idea.'"
we make something, not much, but defo not "nothing"
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Aren't they plastic though? They don't take Coke bottles off you.'"
I bet Ian P's hip flask aint light..
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| Quote ="Kosh"Prior experience indicates otherwise.
We have no control over the stewarding but will cop the flak for the inevitable trouble. That's a lose-lose proposition. Add in the fact that we make no money from selling beer and it seems an even worse idea.'"
Well then, let's hope that inept stewarding is used by Pearson in the renegotiation.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"What a brilliant idea. You could apply that to pubs for people not old enough to drink as well, and even off licences. Then there's corner shops and cigarettes as well. You might have just unwittingly solved the world's under age drinking/smoking problems.
Oh, wait a minute...
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Yeah. Sorry, it's a no go. People could just send their mate to the bar instead.
So close.
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Exactly , morons will be morons regardless of the rules at the KC on FC match days. I agree with what you imply entirely , the only people affected by banning drinking in the seats (as oposed to drunks in general) are those responsible people who fancy a beer actually sitting down in their seat rather than standing in the concourse. Spot on.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Do away fans have to pay to use the toilets at the KC?
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you will u have any more money on yer after u paid to get in the away end
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| Bit underwhelmed that the club are bringing back drinking in the stands to be honest, it really does make a difference to the amount of folk wanting to get past as you're watching the game. So, seeing its done now, can I ask one favour? Can anyone who wants to go and get a drink etc wait for a break in play to do it?
I thank you
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| Quote ="Staffs FC"Bad. Drink related incidents inside the ground this season are now totally and completely inevitable.'"
Im on the side of people who are sensible and like a drink watching but cant the club make it crystal clear that if any one abuses this they will be removed or have season ticket revoked?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Prior experience indicates otherwise.
We have no control over the stewarding but will cop the flak for the inevitable trouble. That's a lose-lose proposition. Add in the fact that we make no money from selling beer and it seems an even worse idea.'"
The re-negotation may include profit on beer
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| Wasn't bothered either way as I don't drink at home games but for me it's the right decision. People drink before the games anyway and will only have probably a pint each half so the whole getting up and down isn't a big deal for me.
As for behaviour well fans go on the lash all day at away matches and through the game without too much incident.
It's a bit insulting to be the only ground where you can't drink.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Wasn't bothered either way as I don't drink at home games but for me it's the right decision. People drink before the games anyway and will only have probably a pint each half so the whole getting up and down isn't a big deal for me.
As for behaviour well fans go on the lash all day at away matches and through the game without too much incident.
It's a bit insulting to be the only ground where you can't drink.'"
If fans enter the ground drunk and cause bother then that's down to the stewarding and the club is unlikely to suffer. If those same fan enter the ground drunk while there is alcohol on sale then [ieven if they don't have a drink inside the ground[/i the club will be held responsible. Therein lie the huge difference and the reason the ban was brought in. Reversing it has opened us up to possible fines when we have [ino control whatsoever[/i over either who gets admitted to the ground, who gets served, or how the stewards deal with trouble.
This is a misguided PR stunt IMO and will most likely bite us in the backside.
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| The last thing we need after recent events is more off field headlines. We need to be whiter than white this year.
I take the point about drinking at other grounds but I can remember incidents at the KC in 2010 and how useless the stewarding was in controlling them.
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| Great news. I don't have to neck down my half time pint plus I can annoy the miserable barsteward who sits at the end of my row and complains every time he has to stand up for someone. Win win situation for me
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| Quote ="Kosh"If fans enter the ground drunk and cause bother then that's down to the stewarding and the club is unlikely to suffer. If those same fan enter the ground drunk while there is alcohol on sale then [ieven if they don't have a drink inside the ground[/i the club will be held responsible. Therein lie the huge difference and the reason the ban was brought in. Reversing it has opened us up to possible fines when we have [ino control whatsoever[/i over either who gets admitted to the ground, who gets served, or how the stewards deal with trouble.
This is a misguided PR stunt IMO and will most likely bite us in the backside.'"
So we're the only club in RL that should not be allowed to drink, we're so different?
Not buying it, we should have the choice just like at all away grounds where people drink a lot more.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So we're the only club in RL that should not be allowed to drink, we're so different?
Not buying it, we should have the choice just like at all away grounds where people drink a lot more.'"
How many other clubs fans have as bad a record with alcohol-related incidents at their own stadium? At how many other stadia are both the outlets and the stewards completely outside of the club's control?
What happens at away grounds is irrelevant. It's a different mix of fans drinking under different conditions. The point with drinking at the KC is that we have actual history of it causing problems. Now - if we'd identified what caused those problems and done something to address them then I could see the case for lifting the ban. But as far as I can tell nothing like that has been done and we're just hoping that it'll be different this time around.
I'm not anti-drinking [iper se[/i - I'm know to have a pint at away games - but I'm concerned about the risk to the club. We really don't need any more bad news stories, do we?
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| Do you drink at home games ?
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| Could selling beer during the match help with renegotiating the SMC deal? Increased profits at the bars could make for a more favourable outcome for us.
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| Adults treating adults like adults, anyone messes about, lifetime ban.
Don't punish the majority for the sake of the idiotic minority.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Adults treating adults like adults, anyone messes about, lifetime ban.
Don't punish the majority for the sake of the idiotic minority.'"
Problem is the stewards seem afraid to confront people at the KC.
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| Quote ="Kosh"How many other clubs fans have as bad a record with alcohol-related incidents at their own stadium? At how many other stadia are both the outlets and the stewards completely outside of the club's control?
What happens at away grounds is irrelevant. It's a different mix of fans drinking under different conditions. The point with drinking at the KC is that we have actual history of it causing problems. Now - if we'd identified what caused those problems and done something to address them then I could see the case for lifting the ban. But as far as I can tell nothing like that has been done and we're just hoping that it'll be different this time around.
I'm not anti-drinking [iper se[/i - I'm know to have a pint at away games - but I'm concerned about the risk to the club. We really don't need any more bad news stories, do we?'"
Says the bloke who doesnt even go to homes matches.I have a drink sometimes before the match but never go in drunk as you claimed some fans do and very rarely drink in the ground anyway so doesnt really bother me.
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| Quote ="fc baldy"Says the bloke who doesnt even go to homes matches.I have a drink sometimes before the match but never go in drunk as you claimed some fans do and very rarely drink in the ground anyway so doesnt really bother me.'"
I do actually go to home games - just not many. And quite what that has to do with having an opinion on potential risk to the club is beyond me to be honest. Unless you're claiming that there's never been any trouble due to drunk idiots?
On a personal level it doesn't bother me either. I don't drink at the KC but on the flip side I've never had any trouble with folk around me drinking when it was allowed. It's the potential risk of trouble for the club that I'm concerned about.
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| Quote ="Kosh"How many other clubs fans have as bad a record with alcohol-related incidents at their own stadium? At how many other stadia are both the outlets and the stewards completely outside of the club's control?
What happens at away grounds is irrelevant. It's a different mix of fans drinking under different conditions. The point with drinking at the KC is that we have actual history of it causing problems. Now - if we'd identified what caused those problems and done something to address them then I could see the case for lifting the ban. But as far as I can tell nothing like that has been done and we're just hoping that it'll be different this time around.
I'm not anti-drinking [iper se[/i - I'm know to have a pint at away games - but I'm concerned about the risk to the club. We really don't need any more bad news stories, do we?'"
If someone creates a problem then ban them, it will soon stop. Don't pander to them and ban it for all. There will be the odd incident so deal with it.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"If someone creates a problem then ban them, it will soon stop. Don't pander to them and ban it for all. There will be the odd incident so deal with it.'"
Here here. Alike other clubs in the SL - They can deal with it, so our club can too.
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| Quote ="Roland_R"Here here. Alike other clubs in the SL - They can deal with it, so our club can too.'"
Which is fine in principle. However, other clubs in SL have direct control over stewarding and/or the drinks outlets. We don't, and the stewards at the KC are notoriously rubbish when it comes to clamping down on bad behaviour.
As I said earlier, had these issues been addressed then no problem with the ban being lifted. Since nothing seems to have changed what makes anyone think that we'll get a different result this time around?
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