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| Quote ="Dnats Ynnepeerht"It doesn't really matter when he was purchased, as that value will go onto the balance sheet and not effect profit. As it seems Westerman's fee is being treated as an asset, the value of the fee will only be released into the P&L while he is a contract employee, or his 'economic life' (I think that's the terminology). So it will start being depreciated from November 2010 onwards. Based on the 'accruals concept' if you fancy abit of light reading
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Are we using the balance carried down method for accruals? To comply with IAS.
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| The club has done exceptionally well making a profit for 6 years running, but they have also been saying that they would be building a custom training facility for the club over the same amount of time. Why havent they taken a hit in the profits to provide this? Having seen Wigan and Leeds facilities on sky over the years I think a club like ours needs something similar instead of a shared base such as Ionians. I'm sure that this would help improve us as a team and club.
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| Quote ="wefewee!"The club has done exceptionally well making a profit for 6 years running, but they have also been saying that they would be building a custom training facility for the club over the same amount of time. Why havent they taken a hit in the profits to provide this? Having seen Wigan and Leeds facilities on sky over the years I think a club like ours needs something similar instead of a shared base such as Ionians. I'm sure that this would help improve us as a team and club.'"
To be fair (and you will know my thoughts on the BOD if you've been reading for a while), we were building at Hull University and that went by the way side, then we had agreed with the NHS and Hull City Council to build the facilities at The Boulevard and we all know that Minns minced all over that.
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| as a business i think the current BOD prove their point of existence year in year out... profitability makes life much more comfy for the club and fans
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| But Mr Allmas not happy because they are taking money out of the club or so he implied anyway!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"But Mr Allmas not happy because they are taking money out of the club or so he implied anyway!'"
Because of course we must all remember that he would "never make money from sport"
he would merely buy Hull City, Rovers, The KC and so on and run it all as a non profit making organisation ha ha ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Beanman" What is mildly interesting (well it is if you're sad like me!) is that I think they've changed auditors (haven't got last years figures to hand but I think they were audited by CBE) and I wonder if there's a reason behind this. Probably nothing more than being offered a better deal but idle speculation's far more fun than knowing the actual facts.'"
No they haven't. Used Sadofsky's for a few years now.
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| Apologies for being wrong about the auditors
Shows how long it is since I last looked at the accounts
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| Quote ="Beanman""So therefore, as he was signed last October and our financial year is Jan-Dec a quarter of the fee (around 35-45k) appeared in these accounts."
I would guess that they will write it off over the "4 seasons he will play" rather than the actual contract period - which in my opinion would be the correct treatment therefore there will be no charge in the figures just reportedThe accounts at companies house are small company accounts and do not show turnover (which again is quite correct) so I'm afraid someone's going to be disappointed. What is mildly interesting (well it is if you're sad like me!) is that I think they've changed auditors (haven't got last years figures to hand but I think they were audited by CBE) and I wonder if there's a reason behind this. Probably nothing more than being offered a better deal but idle speculation's far more fun than knowing the actual facts.
Final point they are still over £1,000,000 away from being able to pay a dividend so any thoughts of the shareholders using dividends to "milk" the club are wide of the mark'"
Amortisation of transfer fee's is done on a straight line basis over the life of the initial contract. Simple as.
As has been pointed out, the accounts are for Oct 2010 so the fee had only just become payable and Westerman became a Hull employee from Nov 10 onwards. The fee paid for Tansey would still have been carried at a net book value at that time though.
If they are turning over less than £6.5m they are theoretically exempt from Audit (not sure if they took the exemption).
There are far too many ways to take a slice of the cake without it being in the form of a dividend ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"The fee paid for Tansey would still have been carried at a net book value at that time though.'"
You're right, but value probably £15k ish? Think the fee was only £30k.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"You're right, but value probably £15k ish? Think the fee was only £30k.'"
Hence at NBV. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Am i correct in thinking that last year was the first one when we havent had to pay off directors loans?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Am i correct in thinking that last year was the first one when we havent had to pay off directors loans?'"
Rule said last year we don't owe the directors anything. In a financial sense, anyway. Obviously we owe them big time for saving our club, getting us into a sustainable financial position and winning the Challenge Cup. ![CURTAIN curtain.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//curtain.gif)
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| So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?'"
Why would profits be down?
Paying off the loans would not hit the p/l
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| Quote ="Hutchie"So therefore profits are down even more than the 50k reported?'"
Only loan interest would be in the P&L
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| IIRC, Leeds posted a turnover of around £10m last year. I'd expect ours to be at least half of that.
£2m from ticket sales throughout the year
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£1m from sponsorship
Rest from prize money, etc?
Can't be too far off.
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| Quote ="Wellsy13"IIRC, Leeds posted a turnover of around £10m last year. I'd expect ours to be at least half of that.
£2m from ticket sales throughout the year
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Rest from prize money, etc?
Can't be too far off.'"
Sponsorship will be nearer 3/4 mil. imho
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Why would profits be down?
Paying off the loans would not hit the p/l'"
Dont ask me , im not a bean counter
Just though if we made 250k profit per year, but then decided to pay 200k off loans, for example, so net profit is only 50k.
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| =#FF0000Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards.
However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.
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| Quote ="salthouse red"=#FF0000Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards.
However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.
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You really are quite dense, aren't you?
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| Quote ="salthouse red"=#FF0000Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards.
However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.
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So we made a profit still, thanks for clearing that up ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="salthouse red"=#FF0000Hull have once again included their players as ‘intangible assets’ on their balance sheet, placing a value of more than £1m on their playing squad, as part of total assets of £1.42m.
It is a move which auditors Sadofskys stress is not in accordance with financial reporting standards.
However, FC have always justified including players as assets due to the huge impact they have on the success of the business in terms of results on the pitch, stressing they do not impact on profits or losses shown in the accounts each year.
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it's been irrelevant since we started doing it, which was before your shower were in SL.
I am sure if Companies House or HMRC had an issue, we'd have had a fine and changed how we do things.
Just think, your losses and debt are nearly 4 x the value of our assets!
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| Quote ="Standee"it's been irrelevant since we started doing it, which was before your shower were in SL.
I am sure if Companies House or HMRC had an issue, we'd have had a fine and changed how we do things.
Just think, your losses and debt are nearly 4 x the value of our assets!'"
Can you show proof of this ? , or are you all still smarting at Mr Allam's gift ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="Kosh"You really are quite dense, aren't you?'"
The clue is when they can't spell their user name properly
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