Phelps or Turner,not hard is it,Turner is a championship player and should never of been signed.

Wow theres alot of hate towards Turner.

Hate?,what do you mean,I've never met the bloke,might the nicest person in the world,I'm talking about rugby ability and is he the right caliber of player the club should be bringing in.

To say he's a championship player is way ott.

personally id have rather seen him in the kids side for a run out and assess his fitness level,or possibly given him a bit part on sunday.
more chance of an injury if a player isnt totally match fit(with our injury record why risk it).
and harsh on turner who hasnt been bad and is young enough to improve.

Has anyone told Phelps, that if he gets MOTM then he will be dropped next week?

I can see the arguments for and against Phelps playing. However bringing him into the team definitely gives the team a lot more balance. If he didn't play some would be slating Agar and if does other will slate him, in situations like this there really is no winning.
ATEOTD Agar and his staff have seen Phelps in training and have hopefully made their decision on the basis of the training and his overall fitness.

he should b given a run art in under 20s to get him a game under is belt and bring his match fitness up to scratch. Some people are saying what if he plays and gets the winner but what if he plays and has a stinker cos hes not fully fit? Then you will get same people on here moanin about him and moanin about agar for playing him.

3rd rate Aussie or promising young English player ?

I think it's a fair assumption but then sports about opinions.

Chill out people the reason Turner is not in the squad is Lyne is on stand by for Briscoe and Dowes is the spare forward incase anyone gets injured in the warm up. But to be honest Turner hasn't done anything to warrant a regular place blows hot and cold IMO but is still young and has a good future.

Correct choice for me.....Turner is very average and id be looking at getting shut at end of season.We got rid of 2 players in Hall and G.Horne who are better than Turner.

Contracted till 2012

Think Turners looked good this season, especially since he went back to centre. Apparently he took a heavy knock last week anyway so it might not have even been a decision Agar had to make.

And?

Contracts mean sod all.....King was under contract and we got rid,so was Berro.

Agree about Hall, not much in it with Horne though. You could also add Broughton as a 3/4 who looked better for us than Turner and we passed on.

I think Turner's just caught in between stand-off and centre, not quite good enough in attack for stand-off, not good enough defensively for centre.

Fair assessment.

Agreed about Turner. The only thing I'll say is both centres have not been great this year and after last week Yeaman's position should have been under threat as well. I doubt it was. Yeamo would benefit from there being more perceived pressure on what seems to be his auto selection every week.

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Sorry don't know how to make it smaller, but an interesting point of view by our very own James Webster.

If posted elsewhere apologies

I'd have gone the other way, personally. Horne is a pretty solid utility player, whereas Hall is, er, not.

I'd say Turner was a similar type of player to Hall - does some quite good things in attack and some quite dodgy things in defence. The only difference is that Hall's abilities are more polarised (better in attack than Turner, worse in defence). Either way, it remains to be seen whether he'll make the grade or not, but it might be a bit too early to write him off yet.

He does seem to live something of a charmed life. Maybe he has the negatives to the photographs that are keeping Agar in employment?

I didn't think Horne was that solid, gave away far too many penalties and sloppy missed tackles, and lost the ball in the tackle far too much. Case in point was 2006. His best season for us, but within 60 seconds in the GF Saints showed why he was still our biggest weakness and put the game to bed before half time.

Hall and Turner are similar cases, I agree. It's the fact that Hall was better in attack that I rate him more though. When played at centre I don't think there was much difference in their defensive abilities, both of them had the same problems of positional sense and decision making.

Yeah, sorry, I meant now. I think the Huddersfield Horne is doing ok. Unspectacular, but reasonably reliable.



Perhaps, but Turner is stronger in the tackle and not nearly as likely to be handed off/trampled over. He seems to relish the collision a lot more than Hall did, as well.

Fair point, a question of coaching?



Hall was infuriating. When he did make the right choice and go in properly, he could make very good tackles and wrap the man up well. The problem IMO was that too often he'd dither and by the time he made his mind up it was too late to commit to the tackle fully, hence he'd get brushed off. I agree Turner does seem to get stuck in a bit more. I suppose the difference is that Turner makes the wrong decision too often, whereas Hall didn't actually make a decision at all.

Surely not!