the penalty is given from were the ball lands when a player is fouled after kicking through

Penalty is awarded where the ball lands or where the defender fields it.

The interesting issue here is the penalty was for a late challenge on the kicker and that is a mandatory sin-binning for the offending player - so Crusdaers should have had a player binned at the end.

Broke my vow since Agar's contract renewal tonight and attended a home game. I'm delighted we scraped home but for me we simply saw the difference between a side that employs a head coach and one that doesn't. On paper we should have blown crusaders away but (leaving his poor reaction to a very dodgy decision aside) Noble creates a synergy within his team whereas as usual we contrive to be less than the sum of our parts. Plenty will say 'a win's a win' and all that, but how anyone can think we'll trouble Wigan, Warrington, Leeds and even Saints when it really counts is beyond me, we'd need a Head Coach to be in with a chance of that happening.

Multiple thanks, got caught up in the Radio Humberside comments and completely forgot about that rule.

Lyne had a man on him and Berro would not have scored from that position imo, Yeaman did the right thing hanging on to it.

Same old record eh. We did not play well with ball in hand but defended well, conditions were terrible but we got the two points. Every side you mentioned has won ugly this season.

When have any of the sides mentioned been spanked like we have?

Berrigan had an infinitely better chance than Yeaman, I can't possibly agree with you there. Yeaman had a man between him and the line, Berrigan didn't. He may have been caught, we'll never know, but what is now a cast iron fact is that Yeaman was not in a position to score and somebody else potentially was. The correct option was the inside ball, absolutely no question.

To be fair the player in front of Yeamo took the dummy and he would have scored had the winger (I think) not come across and tackled him from behind.

We saw what a top coach he was ,,The best dummy spit out that I have seen from a grown man ..Any person should be big enough and man enough to except decisions like that

But again, he therefore ran towards the only 2 players in decent positions to break down the play rather than just make a simple 3 yard pass inside. He took the more difficult, low-percentage, and less beneficial option, for seemingly no other reason than it might have brought him some glory.

I'm a fan of Yeaman, and have defended him many times in the past when he's been criticised for not passing, but tonight's example was inexcusable IMO.

Saints by us at their place.

Not sure what that had to do with what we were talking about? We could get to the GF and you still complain about Agar, it's the agenda you have, which you are entitled to.

Lynn was being shadowed by 1 player and Berrigan was coverd as well...Yeaman actually looked for Lynn but saw he was coverd and Tried to make something of 2 players being coverd.

As for glory for himself....yeah right,he isnt a team player is he.

I think he was looking for Lyne outside him and did not see Berro until late, Berro was never quite up with the play from what I saw and arrived late at which point Yeaman thought it best to hang on.

Sts by us.

Wigan by Quins

Leeds have had a couple as well.

I'd have to see it again but if Yeamo didn't think Berrigan would make it to the line then the dummy isn't too bad a play. The player that actually tackled Yeamo was not in his line of sight as he actually came from behind him to tackle him so he could be forgiven for thinking he had a walk in if the FB takes the dummy.

Agree totally but I did say to leave his conduct tonight aside..care to mount a case that Noble is an inferior coach to Agar?

Didn't think Berrigan was covered myself. Only question mark for him was whether or not he'd have been quick enough to make the line. Yeaman never looked like scoring though.

Agree that was the only issue with it. I just still think that when faced with an opposing player and with a teammate in support, you should have faith in your ally and put him in for a clear run at the sticks.

Ok, would you be willing to wager £20 to charity that we'll win at least one game should we meet Leeds, Saints, Warrington or Wigan in the playoffs?

Why?

I have not said we will have I? I don't think we will go to Wigan and win if we finish 4th and aftre that it will depend of injuries etc. Last year we were 3rd from bottom, Agar has put together a side that is challenging for the top four despite not having our halfbacks fit and playing together for most of the season. Is there room for improvement in Agar and our style of rugby? Yes, but he has done a good job this season and has earnt his new contract even if it did get awarded to him too early.

I'd agree that the vast majority of times I would favour the pass in that situation.

Maybe the conditions made him think twice about the pass?

You just said we could get to the grand final, I'm not even asking you to back that up, simply to say we can beat a decent side while trying, have a bit of conviction in your assertions man! Will you take the bet if I throw Hudds in aswell?

Exactly, it's kids' stuff. If it had been the other way around and he'd passed but Berrigan happened to not make it, do you think there would have been any debate on here that Yeaman should have gone himself? I personally doubt it.