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| The bloke has to go. Not because of this result, it was always going to be tough against Wigan with so many seniors out.
He needs to go quite simply because he offers nothing in the way of positive influence in the side.
Our results this season have been based on the skills of individual players. Anybody can buy in several good individuals and pull in results. A decent coach will get the players working together and Agar just cannot do this.
We will match any side that gets into an arm wrestle. We will lose against any side that takes us on with open play. Its that predictable these days.
Usually its the assistant coach that has the most hands on role with the team. He had this when he came in as assistant, which ironically is when our attack started to fail. As head coach he has seen off two assistants, im told because he wouldnt let them have an input, which again figures.
I said a few games into the season I wont go back until either he's gone or our team work improves. I havent been since. After last week I nearly reconsidered. After tonight I realise theres no change it was simply the occassion last week. Its a shame when a fan of 30 years resorts to this.
This drain will filter down right through to the youths and affect us for years to come unless something changes soon.
Projects for players sometimes pay off. Projects for coaches dont.
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| Quote ="World of Redboy"It's the coaches fault we have a negative points difference in 4th place, and his fault that attacking and defensive structure are light years behind Wigan under McGuire. This is McGuire's first season, not his 3rd, like Agar.'"
McGuire inherited a squad that was 80 minutes from the GF twice in two years - Agar inherited a squad that was 12th.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"You do realise that practise makes perfect and the training should be specifically focussing on giving them the practise to rectify the mistakes? Individual errors over a sustained period of time without being rectified become more than individual errors. There's a bigger issue behind it that needs resolving.'"
And you dont think they do video sessions on the game, and mistakes open your blinkered eyes Agar is not great but neither is his squad and they have to take some responsabilities
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| Quote ="Kosh"So who would you replace from the regular first team backs.'"
Get a fully fit right winger and a centre to fight it out with turner
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"McGuire inherited a squad that was 80 minutes from the GF twice in two years - Agar inherited a squad that was 12th.'"
Are you pi**ed ? Agar took our team to 12th after he took them to 11th the year below
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"McGuire inherited a squad that was 80 minutes from the GF twice in two years - Agar inherited a squad that was 12th.'"
Yes, that might be so, but the season before Agar took over from Sharp, we were finished 4th, having being beaten by Wigan at the KC. However, since Agar has been full time coach, show me a positive influence on the field in both attacking and defensive structures? His game plans is 5 drives and a kick, with this season the wedge with tansey. Other than that he has nothing .
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| Quote ="Bully Vard"The bloke has to go. Not because of this result, it was always going to be tough against Wigan with so many seniors out.
He needs to go quite simply because he offers nothing in the way of positive influence in the side.
Our results this season have been based on the skills of individual players. Anybody can buy in several good individuals and pull in results. A decent coach will get the players working together and Agar just cannot do this.
We will match any side that gets into an arm wrestle. We will lose against any side that takes us on with open play. Its that predictable these days.
Usually its the assistant coach that has the most hands on role with the team. He had this when he came in as assistant, which ironically is when our attack started to fail. As head coach he has seen off two assistants, im told because he wouldnt let them have an input, which again figures.
I said a few games into the season I wont go back until either he's gone or our team work improves. I havent been since. After last week I nearly reconsidered. After tonight I realise theres no change it was simply the occassion last week. Its a shame when a fan of 30 years resorts to this.
This drain will filter down right through to the youths and affect us for years to come unless something changes soon.
Projects for players sometimes pay off. Projects for coaches dont.'"
what he said!!!
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"You don't understand professional sport.'"
As an ex professional player from Hull FC, i think i do, you however are someone who knows the game inside out and never pulled on a shirt, like so many on here i bet
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"McGuire inherited a squad that was 80 minutes from the GF twice in two years - Agar inherited a squad that was 12th.'"
Well strictly speaking we were 11th when he took over and we stayed in 11th. He then took us to 12th in 2009.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Get a fully fit right winger and a centre to fight it out with turner'"
It would be nice.
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| The biggest issue with Agar for me is our lack of intensity in certain games. I never expected us to win tonight and I can take us being beaten by an excellent Wigan side. What I really hate is to see us out-enthused. He's undoubtedly made some improvements this season, but this aspect continues to be a cause for concern.
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| Quote ="World of Redboy"Yes, that might be so, but the season before Agar took over from Sharp, we were finished 4th, having being beaten by Wigan at the KC. However, since Agar has been full time coach, show me a positive influence on the field in both attacking and defensive structures? His game plans is 5 drives and a kick, with this season the wedge with tansey. Other than that he has nothing .'"
Well he has something because we're 4th atm despite arguably having the 6th best team (on paper).
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"McGuire inherited a squad that was 80 minutes from the GF twice in two years - Agar inherited a squad that was 12th.'"
Well that's simply a lie, you sound like the Ex-Pro!
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Well strictly speaking we were 11th when he took over and we stayed in 11th. He then took us to 12th in 2009.'"
Apologies but it's still a huge difference between where Wigan were and where we were when the respective coaches took over.
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| Ooo here they come again, we lost so lets sack the coach.
Tonight was disappointing, I never expected to win but expected us to compete better. In fairness we did early on but Wigan got some decisions and the bounce of the ball and we bombed some chances, after that Wigan played really well adn we were well beaten.
Sometime you just have to cop it on the chin and come back stronger, which is what I expect us to do.
As for our finishing position I said top 6 at the start of the season and I think it will be, I reckon 5th which will be a good finish imo.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"The biggest issue with Agar for me is our lack of intensity in certain games. I never expected us to win tonight and I can take us being beaten by an excellent Wigan side. What I really hate is to see us out-enthused. He's undoubtedly made some improvements this season, but this aspect continues to be a cause for concern.'"
It makes you wonder if we target certain games.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"The biggest issue with Agar for me is our lack of intensity in certain games. I never expected us to win tonight and I can take us being beaten by an excellent Wigan side. What I really hate is to see us out-enthused. He's undoubtedly made some improvements this season, but this aspect continues to be a cause for concern.'"
We made a very similar point at the game tonight. It's a big concern.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"Apologies but it's still a huge difference between where Wigan were and where we were when the respective coaches took over.'"
If judging what a manager has achieved by where the side finished the season before, we went from 4th to 11th... HTH.
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| Quote ="Uncle Junior"Well that's simply a lie, you sound like the Ex-Pro!'"
I apologise, we were 11th. Still a massive difference in squad quality. I aren't sure whether Agar is a top coach - our defensive structure out wide really worries me however there's no doubting that he's improved us big style from last year and deserves not to be sacked on the back of 1 dissappointing result with arguably 6 of our most important players out.
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| your all clearly puzzled...agar out my ar5e..hull were due this backlash..granted the defence woz poor,the reffing were even worse but it woz down to the players and there mistakes especially in attack.
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"No. Kear had lost the player Agar quite clearly hasn't. We're 4th. Look at Kear now, he can't even get Wakefield in the top 8.'"
Yeah with 4k crowds and looking at the dregs what no one else wants or they can afford i like to see agar work within kears budget f00k me it would be painful, Agar is not fit to lace Kears boots
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| Quote ="Sheldon"It makes you wonder if we target certain games.'"
If we do, it's very disappointing. I want to see 100% effort every game. I said before tonight's match that I'd be happy with a performance like we gave in the Wire game. We had loads out that day, but those who played did us proud with their effort and commitment. Tonight we never got close to that level.
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| Quote ="Bully Vard"The bloke has to go. Not because of this result, it was always going to be tough against Wigan with so many seniors out.
He needs to go quite simply because he offers nothing in the way of positive influence in the side.
Our results this season have been based on the skills of individual players. Anybody can buy in several good individuals and pull in results. A decent coach will get the players working together and Agar just cannot do this.
We will match any side that gets into an arm wrestle. We will lose against any side that takes us on with open play. Its that predictable these days.
Usually its the assistant coach that has the most hands on role with the team. He had this when he came in as assistant, which ironically is when our attack started to fail. As head coach he has seen off two assistants, im told because he wouldnt let them have an input, which again figures.
I said a few games into the season I wont go back until either he's gone or our team work improves. I havent been since. After last week I nearly reconsidered. After tonight I realise theres no change it was simply the occassion last week. Its a shame when a fan of 30 years resorts to this.
This drain will filter down right through to the youths and affect us for years to come unless something changes soon.
Projects for players sometimes pay off. Projects for coaches dont.'"
Agree with a lot of that, the fact that even though we're doing ok in terms of a table but a lot of people still feel like that is a clear sign that things aren't right IMO.
Like you I haven't attended a home game since Agar got his contract extension, I still go to away games (admittedly I live in West Yorks so these are often easier) but at least I know I'm not paying his wages!
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| Quote ="Matty_HullFC"I apologise, we were 11th. Still a massive difference in squad quality. I aren't sure whether Agar is a top coach - our defensive structure out wide really worries me however there's no doubting that he's improved us big style from last year and deserves not to be sacked on the back of 1 dissappointing result with arguably 6 of our most important players out.'"
1 dissapointing result?
Crusaders away
Wigan away (A hard game yes but we had a decent team that night and they exploited our weakness out wide)
Salford away
Leeds Away
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Quins MM
Hudds Away
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Wakefield away
Wigan Home
I would class all of those as dissapointing even though we won two of them.
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| Quote ="forevafaithful"your all clearly puzzled...agar out my ar5e..hull were due this backlash..granted the defence woz poor,the reffing were even worse but it woz down to the players and there mistakes especially in attack.'"
You're one of the dimmest posters on here, up there with Danny 2, the Ex-Pro and that old guy who puts a at the end of every post. Surely you've noticed how rarely people bother responding to anything you say...
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