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| Quote ="EXPRO"May I say , without trying to belittle your post that you could not be further from the truth about the loyalties of Mrs Hetherington , JR and RA.
I can say from personal experience of the lady that there is no bigger fan of FC and no one who wants them to do well more than KH , thats a fact!!
with regards the finances I can assure you Mrs Hetherington is not in need of the cash !!
JR watches every match like a fan in a suit and i have personally witnessed him screaming at players and refs who make mistakes just like all fans do .
And Mr Agar I can tell you is a very very calm , mild mannered individual who does not let on field issues get to him, he motors forward in a very VERY professional manner but i can assure you recent events have hurt him very much but unlike many on here , HE does not give up !!
Do not underestimate how much the sucess of the club means to the people who matter, it does not seem like it does to you all because you dont see them on a weekly basis ..'"
If they were that bothered they would have recruited the best possible person for the most important job at the club. Head Coach!! Either they are more interested in the money or they are completely clueless when it comes to on-field matters. Its also not a FACT that "there is no bigger fan of FC and no one who wants them to do well more than KH".
The FACTS are that we are yet again underachieving in the areas that really matter to the fans. On the pitch. I couldn't give a toss if Agar is the most professional coach in the world, IMO he is not upto the job of making FC a top SL side. He has been given plenty of time to prove himself, well I'm afraid all we ever hear is excuse after excuse and I'm sick of it. The contract extension on April Fools Day was the last straw for me and proof that those at the top are willing to say anything to keep us quiet and they will do whatever the hell they want regardless.
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| Quote ="Kosh"We are in a virtually identical position to last year and playing no better.'" , not quite but I see your sentiment Kosh however did we not say last year that without the thought process players on the park we would struggle, and here we are struggling again for that self same reason...
we could have the whole Australian test pack and the Kiwi backs in B&W but without creativity in the middle its still route one footie as we have now, one out drive and kick
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Think carefully about how much money KH placed into limbo for so long to keep the club moving forwards!!'"
I am not interested mate...I have as many fans have sunk and continue to sink a lot of money in order to keep the club moving forward...
Is our club moving forward...Bank balance yes...on the field NO!!
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| Quote ="EXPRO"also do you think that acting like halfwits in a protest will make players play better, or injuries not happen...
It will just make the whole scenario that much worse .. thankfully it will not happen because folk in RL do not do those things'"
Since they cant play much worse currently whats the difference? I would prefer Agar would make them play better but since that has been proved beyond his capabilities we have little other option.
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| Quote ="Hull Kingston Convicts"From what I recall they spend 90 minutes singing about a player who last played for them in 1997.
Now that is iconic status.
I bet all our board could not name a single FC player from 1997'"
So 80 minutes of us singing Chico time it is then
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| Quote ="Robbo4"If they were that bothered they would have recruited the best possible person for the most important job at the club. Head Coach!! Either they are more interested in the money or they are completely clueless when it comes to on-field matters. Its also not a FACT that "there is no bigger fan of FC and no one who wants them to do well more than KH".
The FACTS are that we are yet again underachieving in the areas that really matter to the fans. On the pitch. I couldn't give a toss if Agar is the most professional coach in the world, IMO he is not upto the job of making FC a top SL side. He has been given plenty of time to prove himself, well I'm afraid all we ever hear is excuse after excuse and I'm sick of it. The contract extension on April Fools Day was the last straw for me and proof that those at the top are willing to say anything to keep us quiet and they will do whatever the hell they want regardless.'"
There is no FACT when it comes down to Agar's ability as a head coach. The fans don't rate him but the board still seem to have belief in him. They may or may not be proved right but they have made a decision on what they think is good for Hull FC. They would not appoint the wrong guy because it was cheaper.
I would like Agar to go at the end of the season but some of the bollox written about the board at times is laughable.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"There is no FACT when it comes down to Agar's ability as a head coach. The fans don't rate him but the board still seem to have belief in him. They may or may not be proved right but they have made a decision on what they think is good for Hull FC. They would not appoint the wrong guy because it was cheaper.
I would like Agar to go at the end of the season but some of the bollox written about the board at times is laughable.'"
The FACT about agar is that there is little or no evidence to prove that he is a good coach yet shedloads to the contrary.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"So 80 minutes of us singing Chico time it is then
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Fascinating sigs those Hutchie
Am I right in thinking painterboy is the radio presenter/rovers board mod...oh dear!
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| Quote ="Kosh"I have two issues with the idea of a protest...
1. It will look a bit silly the whole time we are still in the top 8.
2. It will achieve nothing as it will not involve enough fans.
Staying away strikes me as a high-risk strategy. Do it in sufficient numbers to make a point and you risk the financial well-being of the club. It then becomes a case of playing chicken with the board and hoping they blink first.
I have no view on how loyal or otherwise fans who want to protest or stay away are.'"
Again its not something I normally condone and if it wasn't for the fact the board have signed up for another 2 and half years of this I wouldn't be suggesting it now.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The FACT about agar is that there is little or no evidence to prove that he is a good coach yet shedloads to the contrary.'"
That's opinion not fact. The fans might end up being right about him or maybe the board will be proved right. My point is they would not knowingly appoint someone that they thought was no good, they want the club to do well just like we do.
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Fascinating sigs those Hutchie
Am I right in thinking painterboy is the radio presenter/rovers board mod...oh dear!'"
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| Quote ="PAUL M"There is no FACT when it comes down to Agar's ability as a head coach. The fans don't rate him but the board still seem to have belief in him. They may or may not be proved right but they have made a decision on what they think is good for Hull FC. They would not appoint the wrong guy because it was cheaper.
I would like Agar to go at the end of the season but some of the bollox written about the board at times is laughable.'"
Good job I didn't suggest any then.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"So 80 minutes of us singing Chico time it is then
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If you want, Or there is Sully, Nocker, Sir John, Sterlo et al
or a round of Hepi, Hepi, Hepi
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| Quote ="PAUL M"That's opinion not fact. The fans might end up being right about him or maybe the board will be proved right. My point is they would not knowingly appoint someone that they thought was no good, they want the club to do well just like we do.'"
Within certain constraints I agree. They know as well as we do that a proven top class coach would give us a better chance of being successful. They also know that this would cost more money. ATM they are more than happy to risk the cheaper option paying off
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| Quote ="PAUL M"There is no FACT when it comes down to Agar's ability as a head coach. The fans don't rate him but the board still seem to have belief in him. They may or may not be proved right but they have made a decision on what they think is good for Hull FC. They would not appoint the wrong guy because it was cheaper.
I would like Agar to go at the end of the season but some of the bollox written about the board at times is laughable.'"
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Within certain constraints I agree. They know as well as we do that a proven top class coach would give us a better chance of being successful. They also know that this would cost more money. ATM they are more than happy to risk the cheaper option paying off'"
I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.
I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.
That said the timing of his new deal was baffling!
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Within certain constraints I agree. They know as well as we do that a proven top class coach would give us a better chance of being successful. They also know that this would cost more money. ATM they are more than happy to risk the cheaper option paying off'"
The problem with that staement is that in truth RA is actually a very good BRITISH coach that has been very unlucky with injuries.. why cant everyone see that !
The board at Fc dont travel around the world courting Mason, Fitzgibbon, Crocker, Long etc and one or two others we were very close to signing because they take the cheap options, they do it because they want the club to be strong and RA will prove a lot wrong...
Yes its his team however half of them are injured ...simple math
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.
I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.
That said the timing of his new deal was baffling!'"
That is what has tipped me over the edge. I just dont see where this belief in Agar has come from in order to give him the extension. What are they basing it all on? He must talk a bloody good game.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.
I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.
That said the timing of his new deal was baffling!'"
I just think they believe in him and his vision, players who he recruited also said that. It's not happening and it does not look like happening and I would like him gone but the board are probably trying to be patient and giving him the time to get it right.
=#FF0000That I believe is exactly the case, as it is a new game these days where relagation is a thing of the past then it no longer has to be a coaches sackathon mid season in SL,
I think they would have reacted quicker had promotion and relegation still been around but they can afford to be a bit more patient.
=#FF0000As I said above...
That said the timing of his new deal was baffling
Cant disagree there though, I believe it was in fear of the rumoured shuffle of coaches pending in SL
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| Quote ="EXPRO"The problem with that staement is that in truth RA is actually a very good BRITISH coach that has been very unlucky with injuries.. why cant everyone see that !
The board at Fc dont travel around the world courting Mason, Fitzgibbon, Crocker, Long etc and one or two others we were very close to signing because they take the cheap options, they do it because they want the club to be strong and RA will prove a lot wrong...
Yes its his team however half of them are injured ...simple math'"
I'd love to know how you have come to this conclusion? What is it based on?
The injuries excuse is getting really old really fast. We have lost plenty of games with near enough a full strength squad to choose from and certainly no worse than the oppsotion we were playing.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"That is what has tipped me over the edge. I just dont see where this belief in Agar has come from in order to give him the extension. What are they basing it all on? =#0000FFHe must talk a bloody good game.'"
He's a dab hand with a flip chart and Powerpoint.
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| would love to know who expro actually is???he/she is certainly a determined person.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"The problem with that staement is that in truth RA is actually a very good BRITISH coach that has been very unlucky with injuries.. =#0000FFwhy cant everyone see that !'"
I dunno. Could it be that there is zero evidence of it?
We've had some bad luck with injuries, but the team has consistently failed to perform to the required standard given the players available. Injuries are no excuse for not being able to tackle, pass, kick, or chase with enthusiasm. They are no excuse for a lack of defensive organisation or determination. They are no excuse for dropped ball and stupid penalties. There is no evidence whatsoever of Agar having anything approaching even moderate ability when it comes to tactics, basic skills training, motivation, and use of the bench.
In short, we are performing well short of where we should be even taking injuries into account.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I dunno. Could it be that there is zero evidence of it?
We've had some bad luck with injuries, but the team has consistently failed to perform to the required standard given the players available. Injuries are no excuse for not being able to tackle, pass, kick, or chase with enthusiasm. They are no excuse for a lack of defensive organisation or determination. They are no excuse for dropped ball and stupid penalties. There is no evidence whatsoever of Agar having anything approaching even moderate ability when it comes to tactics, basic skills training, motivation, and use of the bench.
[uIn short, we are performing well short of where we should be even taking injuries into account.'" [/u
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I'd love to know how you have come to this conclusion? What is it based on?
The injuries excuse is getting really old really fast. We have lost plenty of games with near enough a full strength squad to choose from and certainly no worse than the oppsotion we were playing.'"
Again that is clearly a fans comment...
So please clear this up for me, are you saying then that we have a god given right to beat Salford, Crusaders etc , that being the case here is an easy answer....
Lets turn SL into a fantasy season and we can work out who beats who and then the Grand final teams all on day one based on which players the clubs purchase !!
saves a lot of injuries and we can play the whole season in one day !!
we just dont have a right to beat them teams im afraid, they are pros too remember and for argument sake at Wrexham, we didnt play badly we were just beaten by the better side on the day simple as that 13 vs 13
This is as I keep saying Rugby league not jeremy kyle, people get injured, small clubs beat big clubs and fans moan .. thats why we love it
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