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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Defence is where they are undone'"
Yeamo is defensively one of the best centres in SL and Hally is developing. Some of the best centres in the game cant defend. Hall is working hard to get his defence right.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Revisiting old discussions here but very relevant after last week.
Just sat and had lunch with 7 guys in the warehouse (all FC fans X4 season holders too) and every single one of them didnt rate Hall at all and saw Centre as the place we most now need to strengthen, and all thought Yeaman has not apart from one match this year shown anything different to last year!
so I ask a question or two of the bretheren on B&Ws
[uC Hall[/u
1, has he improved as a player
2, has his tackling improved at all.
3, do we HONESTLY ever see him ever being a shoe in on the team sheet !
4, I know he is still young but he has a lump of experience now and as such would you honestly keep him when out of contract next ??
[uK Yeaman[/u
1, has he improved as a player from last three seasons
2, has his overall game improved.
3, do we ever see him ever being back to the player who played for GB?
4, would you honestly keep him when out of contract next ??
or do we need in all honesty two decent centres???
please note no where here have I been derogatory to them , just asking your thoughts'"
My answers to your questions are:
Hall
1. Hall has improved
2. Yes - hugely
3. Yes - he is still only 22 and has played in a very disrupted team for the past two years which has disrupted his development.
4. I think we'd be lunatics to let one of the best centre prospects in the game go - especially non-quota.
Yeaman
1. Yes - although I think the last two seasons make it difficult to judge any player for Hull. Still, in 2008 he was the 7th highest try scorer in the league.
2. Yes
3. Yes, because I think he was picked too soon for GB. He is already being touted as a GB international for the 4 Nations.
4. Yes - he is one of the best centres in SL and certainly one of the best non-quota.
Let's not forget the season has just begun and our team will be better on the harder grounds (particularly Hall). We all know by now that it's how you finish the season that matters.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Just because you've done something before doesn't automatically make it a good idea to do it again. In this case there are pros and cons, which Agar gets paid to assess and then come to a decision.
Still waiting for that list of tries BTW.'"
Like his decisions on bench rotation etc last year for one example do you mean ??
as for the list of tys , wait till the wigan match is on FCTV, its shocking viewing , did you go, didnt you see it??
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| Quote ="downtheante"My answers to your questions are:
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1. Hall has improved I DO NOT SEE IT
2. Yes - hugely NOT HUGELY
3. Yes - he is still only 22 and has played in a very disrupted team for the past two years which has disrupted his development. AGREED
4. I think we'd be lunatics to let one of the best centre prospects in the game go - especially non-quota. NOT IF HE CANT DEFEND
Yeaman
1. Yes - although I think the last two seasons make it difficult to judge any player for Hull. Still, in 2008 he was the 7th highest try scorer in the league. SO WHAT DO WE JUDGE THEM ON , IF ITS ON THIS YEARS THEN THE WIGAN GAME IS A SHAMBLES AS WAS CRUSADERS
2. Yes
3. Yes, because I think he was picked too soon for GB. He is already being touted as a GB international for the 4 Nations. BECAUSE THERE ISNT ANY OTHER POOL OF PLAYERS TO CHOOSE FROM
4. Yes - he is one of the best centres in SL and certainly one of the best non-quota. ??
Let's not forget the season has just begun and our team will be better on the harder grounds (particularly Hall). We all know by now that it's how you finish the season that matters.
BUT TO GET TO THE BUSINESS END YOU HAVE TO WIN MATCHES AT THE BEGINNING
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| What a strange thread.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"What a strange thread.
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Agree
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| Hall needs to play at centre or not at all IMO. Not sure who we could play there when Calderwood is injured.
He isnt a winger and this showed on Friday.
Play him at centre and I show he will improve each game.
Thought Yeaman has a had a good start to the season, both players will improve more when Long gets fit and Horne continues his good form.
Amazing what happens to this forum after one defeat.
Beat Bradford and there will be threads stating how good each player is.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"
But remember, as with your thoughts, these are only my opinions. We just appear to differ on this one.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Like his decisions on bench rotation etc last year for one example do you mean ??'"
And how's that been working this season?
Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"as for the list of tys , wait till the wigan match is on FCTV, its shocking viewing , did you go, didnt you see it??'"
Come now - we've already addressed the issue of Hall defending on the wing and our generally crap flank defence on Friday. How about all the other games he's played in this season - particularly in his proper position of centre? If he's as defensively poor as you claim then you should have no problem at all providing evidence of all the tries he's let in
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| Quote ="Kosh"And how's that been working this season?
Come now - we've already addressed the issue of Hall defending on the wing and our generally crap flank defence on Friday. How about all the other games he's played in this season - particularly in his proper position of centre? If he's as defensively poor as you claim then you should have no problem at all providing evidence of all the tries he's let in'"
anyone who watches the matches can see the point I make, Hall is not good at defending , to be fair he is awful, a tackle is a tackle wether your on the wing or second row, trying to slap balls out all night is not a style i was tought and thats about his measure!!,
FCTV does not give a full picture im afraid , a match over 80 mins shows a ton of broken play that Hall flaps around
Did you go to Hudds, Crusaders or Wigan matches?? because everyone around me can see it i dont know why you cannot see it ???
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"anyone who watches the matches can see the point I make, Hall is not good at defending , to be fair he is awful, a tackle is a tackle wether your on the wing or second row, trying to slap balls out all night is not a style i was tought and thats about his measure!!,
FCTV does not give a full picture im afraid , a match over 80 mins shows a ton of broken play that Hall flaps around
Did you go to Hudds, Crusaders or Wigan matches?? because everyone around me can see it i dont know why you cannot see it ???'"
I personally don't attend away games but my view of Hall this year (and I have been a critic of his defence and other aspects in previous years) is that his defense and his effort have greatly improved as has his respect for possession. I didn't go to Wigan and he did seem to be out of position on a couple of occasions on the highlights but, overall this season I've been very happy with his progress. He won't put it right overnight but with the work ethic in place at the club at the moment I'm sure he'll continue to improve over the season.
I also think that he is not a winger and he does look very exposed out there.
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| Quote ="downtheante"
I also think that he is not a winger and he does look very exposed out there.'"
if hes not a winger he should not be playing on the wing, because when he does his utility value clearly drops.
we have specialist wingers so play them
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| With no real expiernced wingers why don't we look at giving Lynn or Tuffour a shot? I thought franchising was supposed to encourage this ?
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"if hes not a winger he should not be playing on the wing, because when he does his utility value clearly drops.
we have specialist wingers so play them'"
are you a South Pole elf today?
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| Quote ="downtheante"are you a South Pole elf today?'"
as kosh said earlier
Can everyone keep it civil please.Ta.
so no need for you to jump in with childish comments now your home from school is there
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| Quote ="pmarrow"With no real expiernced wingers why don't we look at giving Lynn or Tuffour a shot? I thought franchising was supposed to encourage this ?'"
Just like I said right back at the beginning, if Hall cannot play wing, then place a specialist winger in the wing slot!! and its clear Hall cannot play wing
Put square pegs in square holes!!
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"as kosh said earlier
Can everyone keep it civil please.Ta.
so no need for you to jump in with childish comments now your home from school is there'"
You have to be the touchiest poster in the history of the internet.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"as kosh said earlier
Can everyone keep it civil please.Ta.
so no need for you to jump in with childish comments now your home from school is there'"
lol - you really are a south pole elf aren't you?
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| Quote ="downtheante"lol - you really are a south pole elf aren't you?'"
Listen, I can clearly see you are having issues so i will not insult you in return, now go away, put some clothes on and
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"You have to be the touchiest poster in the history of the internet.'"
Not really but if I am to be warned on PM for childish comments then so shall everyone else, lever playing field and all that , but thanks for your equally balanced view as always
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"anyone who watches the matches can see the point I make, Hall is not good at defending , to be fair he is awful, a tackle is a tackle wether your on the wing or second row, trying to slap balls out all night is not a style i was tought and thats about his measure!!,
FCTV does not give a full picture im afraid , a match over 80 mins shows a ton of broken play that Hall flaps around
Did you go to Hudds, Crusaders or Wigan matches?? because everyone around me can see it i dont know why you cannot see it ???'"
I was at Crusaders. I don't recall any particular problems with Hall's defence over and above anyone else that day. What I [ido[/i remember very clearly was Tom Briscoe failing dismally to deal with two high kicks that led directly to tries right in front of me. Oddly enough your eagle vision appears to have missed this, otherwise I'm sure you would have started a thread on it and mentioned it in numerous other threads when given half a chance.
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| Quote ="Kosh"I was at Crusaders. I don't recall any particular problems with Hall's defence over and above anyone else that day. What I [ido[/i remember very clearly was Tom Briscoe failing dismally to deal with two high kicks that led directly to tries right in front of me. Oddly enough your eagle vision appears to have missed this, otherwise I'm sure you would have started a thread on it and mentioned it in numerous other threads when given half a chance.'"
you cant beat being unbiased huh
your right Kosh I give in, you were right all along, i know nothing , MODS rule !!
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"Listen, I can clearly see you are having issues so i will not insult you in return, now go away, put some clothes on and
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for less than a fiver
[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0091906814some bed-time reading for you[/url
I was merely asking "if you were a south pole elf today" because all of your posts seemed unusually aggressive... it was a light-hearted remark with no malice intended.
Back to your original post, you asked several questions about our first choice centres (clearly we are missing a winger at the moment) and I ,amongst others, tried to answer with our views. I happen to rate Yeaman highly and I also happen to think that Hall is beginning to develop in those areas where he has been weak in previous years. Now, I think that's how debate works or is this just the argument sketch from Monty Python?
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| Quote ="downtheante"for less than a fiver
[url=http://www.amazon.co.uk/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0091906814some bed-time reading for you[/url
I was merely asking "if you were a south pole elf today" because all of your posts seemed unusually aggressive... it was a light-hearted remark with no malice intended.'"
wow the pms are hot today
listen we all have opinions, i respect yours just do the same , easy really. jesus i thought there were FC fans on here??
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"you cant beat being unbiased huh
your right Kosh I give in, you were right all along, i know nothing , MODS rule !!'"
Are you suggesting that Briscoe [ididn't[/i muff two kicks? Granted Yeaman wasn't a lot of help either.
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