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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Thanks for your comments. But given that you reckon Berrigan has played over 95% of his games for Hull at hooker and is "very average", I think we can discount your opinions of FC players. No offence.'"
With your stat collection surely you can provide something to show why my comments about Berrigan were wrong? Plus I said Berrigan has been 'very average' over here in SL, not a mention of his time in the NRL.
But back on topic, give on of the young lads a chance for a wing position next year, it sounds like 3 lads can do the job. Make them aware of the situation and imagine the battle for that one position between them.
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| The idea of giving next year's first choice wing spot to one of three young players who haven't yet started a single SL game between them, whilst proposing to get rid of our experienced, former international winger is just plain silly.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Seems pointless with the players with having coming through.
A prop to replace Cusack should be what we are looking at, either LMS, Watts or Scruton.
Watts would be the one I would make a move for.'"
Can't see us getting Watts at all.
Although the other two you mentioned may be worth a shot, both have played for us before and what about Luke Burgess? I really like the look of him.
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| We'll only really be able to judge properly if/when Lynne and/or Tuffour get a chance in the 1st team and how they do. ATM, I'd say if he'll accept a 1 year deal, do it. If not, depends on what else we can bring in and the impact it would have on that.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Seems pointless with the players with having coming through.
A prop to replace Cusack should be what we are looking at, either LMS, Watts or Scruton.
Watts would be the one I would make a move for.'"
I'm sure he's out of contract at the end of this season . A more than capable replacement for Cussack imo.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"With your stat collection surely you can provide something to show why my comments about Berrigan were wrong? Plus I said Berrigan has been 'very average' over here in SL, not a mention of his time in the NRL.
But back on topic, give on of the young lads a chance for a wing position next year, it sounds like 3 lads can do the job. Make them aware of the situation and imagine the battle for that one position between them.'"
I replied to this rather stupid comment of yours that Berrigan has played hooker in over 95% of his games for FC when you made the point originally. Berro has played 49 SL games for Hull, so for your comment to be true he would have played only 2 games not at hooker. Considering he was cover at SH for Dykes in 2008 (who missed 15 or so games through injury), played SH a bit when Thorman was dropped in 2009 and has played at centre and in the back row, your statement is bollox. No offence.
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| I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
He has certainly played more than 2 matches away from Hooker. Tommy Lee and Houghton were sharing it for long spells while Dykes was missing. In fact Berrigans first ever game for the club was at Centre so thats another one. I'd say its closer to 70% of his time at Hooker.
As for his level of performance and the size of his contract (what is the size by the way?) I'd say his first season here he was playing at an acceptable standard whilst being moved about a fair bit. He wasn't so good last year but then the whole team was poor last year and this year we are finally seeing what he is capable of because we have a pack that can lay the platform for him.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has certainly played more than 2 matches away from Hooker. Tommy Lee and Houghton were sharing it for long spells while Dykes was missing. In fact Berrigans first ever game for the club was at Centre so thats another one. I'd say its closer to 70% of his time at Hooker.
As for his level of performance and the size of his contract (=#FF0000what is the size by the way?) I'd say his first season here he was playing at an acceptable standard whilst being moved about a fair bit. He wasn't so good last year but then the whole team was poor last year and this year we are finally seeing what he is capable of because we have a pack that can lay the platform for him.'"
£260k a year
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"£260k a year
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So about the same as Dobson then?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"So about the same as Dobson then?
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Yep, but one has earned his money
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Yep, but one has earned his money
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Berrigan has earned his money. He was doing the best with what he had to work with and helped the club to a major final.
Whereas Dobson and Rovers have....well......errrrr
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Berrigan has earned his money. He was doing the best with what he had to work with and helped the club to a major final.'"
Nobody remembers the runner up
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Nobody remembers the runner up
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Our Accountants do including Mrs B
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Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
www.sporthull.co.uk/hullfc/squad ... ticle.html
"With injuries decimating Hull's start to the 2008 season berrigan played almost everywhere but hooker, filling in at centre, stand-off, scrum-half, second-row and loose-forward.
Despite being switched around the team, the Aussie was still Hull's stand-out player. But it was his performances at hooker which really caught the eye and saw him sweep the end of season awards. Has been one of the the clubs best performers for the past two seasons."
Answers both points, I think. He's played a lot of games not in the hooking role, and he was player of the year in 2008 when we made a major final. Do try harder.
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Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
www.sporthull.co.uk/hullfc/squad ... ticle.html
"With injuries decimating Hull's start to the 2008 season berrigan played almost everywhere but hooker, filling in at centre, stand-off, scrum-half, second-row and loose-forward.
Despite being switched around the team, the Aussie was still Hull's stand-out player. But it was his performances at hooker which really caught the eye and saw him sweep the end of season awards. Has been one of the the clubs best performers for the past two seasons."
Answers both points, I think. He's played a lot of games not in the hooking role, and he was player of the year in 2008 when we made a major final. Do try harder.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.'"
I know. I'm like Carol Vorderman, plus 3 stone and minus the freakish botox.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Answers both points, I think. He's played a lot of games not in the hooking role, and he was player of the year in 2008 when we made a major final. Do try harder.
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Dont really need to try harder tbh, what I have seen of him he aint been nothing special, still living off his reputation he deservedly earned from his time in the NRL.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Well apart from possibly the kick chase, Hall in every other department for me.'"
Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"Care to name these other departments so your argument is more evidentially sound ??'"
I guess not then !!!
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"£260k a year
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If im barking up the wrong tree here please accept my apologies but if your suggesting Berro is on that kind of money every year, you are very much mistaken !!
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"I guess not then !!!
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Oh sorry pal, well I thought Dave K did a good enough job for me and it didn't need any more input from me.
And hence the wink lol
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Oh sorry pal, well I thought Dave K did a good enough job for me and it didn't need any more input from me.'"
Im just interested in what these other departments are that Hall is superior in thats all. Unless the odd break that Dave K mentions is the only department you meant ?
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"[u Dont really need to try harder tbh[/u, what I have seen of him he aint been nothing special, still living off his reputation he deservedly earned from his time in the NRL.'"
Yes you do. Your claim he played more than 95% of games at FC at hooker is clearly bollox, and he was player of the year in 2008. Pick on someone else. Like David Mills, who's played 4 SL games from a possible 33 since he signed a new 2 year deal at Rovers.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"The idea of giving next year's first choice wing spot to one of three young players who haven't yet started a single SL game between them, whilst proposing to get rid of our experienced, former international winger is just plain silly.'"
I am not interested in the point of this argument but to say we should not give a wing spot to a young inexperienced player without a single SL game is' plain silly' by you - Every-one has to start some-where some start quicker than others - Just one example Clive Sullivan - 3 tries on Debut - never looked back. The difference being Clive was a winger - nothing else. Welcome aboard Denis Tuffour. Far be it for me to live in the past but I am sure lots of other people can come up with examples
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"£260k a year
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Take £100k a year off and you may be very close
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| Quote ="kathy kirk"I am not interested in the point of this argument but to say we should not give a wing spot to a young inexperienced player without a single SL game is' plain silly' by you - Every-one has to start some-where some start quicker than others - Just one example Clive Sullivan - 3 tries on Debut - never looked back. The difference being Clive was a winger - nothing else. Welcome aboard Denis Tuffour. Far be it for me to live in the past but I am sure lots of other people can come up with examples'"
Sully wasn't a regular for three years or so after his debut, though, for various reasons.
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