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| Quote ="Standee"Oh joy the "young player of the year" line is out again.'"
Correctly so too!! the lad won it for a darned good reason too and anyone who actually goes to matches can see that everytime he goes on the field, every club in the world has a number of players like RW as not all the squad can be Fitzys I am afraid but in RW we have one of the best !
RW is a very intelligent lad on and off the field and is a much better footballer than many here give him credit for , is much faster than many credit him for and bangs way above his weight but has suffered from a utility tag and lack of game time due to his awful injuries however this season he is definately going to get plenty of game time and will i am sure prove his worth and repay the undoubted confidence the whole club have in the lad!!
To call him world class is wrong, to call him a cheap utility is an insult to him also as he offers much more than just versitility, as a person you could not meet a nicer fella and as a player he offers much more than Washy IMO .
Lets let the season do the talking because i know RW plans just that !!
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| Quote ="mrs cindy russell"surly that should be there as "In your opionion" Standee, and I'm sure 'in my opionion' we all know how much your opinion is valued on the forum.
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| Quote ="Standee"He was club YP.'"
Okay... Whiting was SLYP as well as National Lg 1 young player before that. I know some people don't go on to bigger and better things but I do think that there have been mitigating circumstances in his case - i.e. not only has he had horrific injuries but when he has been fit the team has also deen decimated by injuries so he's been asked to fill the accursed utility boots.
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Agree, Horne 6, Long 7, Washy 13. Fitz in 2nd row. Never going to happen though.
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No , Agar has to accommodate Radford in there somewhere.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"Whiting is a quality player who can cover a range of positions without looking out of place. I'd be more than happy to see him named at full back, centre, stand off, loose forward or second row. He is invaluable in the case of injuries, and I believe that if he had an opportunity for an extended run in the side he'd prove more than capable in any of the positions above.'"
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| Quote ="downtheante"Okay... Whiting was SLYP as well as National Lg 1 young player before that. I know some people don't go on to bigger and better things but I do think that there have been mitigating circumstances in his case - i.e. not only has he had horrific injuries but when he has been fit the team has also deen decimated by injuries so he's been asked to fill the accursed utility boots.'"
the difference with RW is that every area he has been asked to cover anyone who has watched him would agree that he could easily fill that position full time as well, be it centre, full back, LF or 2nd
never let us down at all anywhere
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| Quote ="B0NES"No , Agar has to accommodate Radford in there somewhere.
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You know Radford takes a lot of flakk on here but it will be interesting to see how he fits into the new, more professional approach - I wonder how his levels of fitnedd will be this year. I'm also interested to see if he is being viewed as a second or front rower for the coming season.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"He's as fast as Paul Cooke, for example. And he makes up for what he lacks in pace with his speed of thought. How often is he in the right place at the right time to make an interception? That's not because of his speed, but because he reads the game very well.
Every club needs at least a minority of players who, whilst not world class, can do a good job in a number of positions. The nature of the modern game dictates that injuries will occur and the salary cap means that you can't necessarily have 28 internationals in your squad.
Whiting is more than just solid, in my opinion. He's intelligent, works hard and is incredibly versatile. It's doing him a huge disservice to call him a 'jack of all trades'.'"
Paul Cooke had a fantastic kicking game and a long bullet pass which was the evny of SL at the time.
Garry Schofield and Steve Evans were the best players at reading interceptions I have seen, perhaps we should offer those contracts too?
I am fully aware that not all players can be stars, thats exactly our problem, too many work horses and "solid" players.
Whiting is exactly a Jack of all as he doesn't have any position he could command himself. Not a disservice, just a reasonable assessment.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Bit harsh on Washbrook, should be in front of Horne at 6 IMO.'"
Even though he doesn't see himself as a 6?
Might be worth seeing how Horne starts the season before writing him off as well.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Paul Cooke had a fantastic kicking game and a long bullet pass which was the evny of SL at the time.
Garry Schofield and Steve Evans were the best players at reading interceptions I have seen, perhaps we should offer those contracts too?
I am fully aware that not all players can be stars, thats exactly our problem, too many work horses and "solid" players.
Whiting is exactly a Jack of all as he doesn't have any position he could command himself. Not a disservice, just a reasonable assessment.'"
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| Quote ="downtheante"'"
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I meant.... you won't mind those of us thinking it is a reasonable assessment of Whiting when we think he is more than just an average utility player
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Paul Cooke had a fantastic kicking game and a long bullet pass which was the evny of SL at the time.
Garry Schofield and Steve Evans were the best players at reading interceptions I have seen, perhaps we should offer those contracts too?
I am fully aware that not all players can be stars, thats exactly our problem, too many work horses and "solid" players.
Whiting is exactly a Jack of all as he doesn't have any position he could command himself. Not a disservice, just a reasonable assessment.'"
But "he's a lovely lad", which is all that matters to some of the tunnel visioned fans.
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| Quote ="Standee"But "he's a lovely lad", which is all that matters to some of the tunnel visioned fans.'"
That's all I want in a team - a bunch of lovely lads...
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| Quote ="downtheante"You know Radford takes a lot of flakk on here but it will be interesting to see how he fits into the new, more professional approach - I wonder how his levels of fitnedd will be this year. I'm also interested to see if he is being viewed as a second or front rower for the coming season.'"
Front row of the stand hopefully
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| I'd like to see Rich stay but some how don't think he'll be an FC player beyond 2010 if he doesn't play enough. I'd have Rich as 1st choice back up in the centres behind Yeaman and Hall and at loose forward behind Washbrook. So he would get a fair few games if it were up to me. He'd get game time when either Tansey, Horne, Long and Berrigan were out too. I reckon he should be targeting the 13 shirt. Great player to have in the squad.
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| Quote ="Standee"But "he's a lovely lad", which is all that matters to some of the tunnel visioned fans.'"
not tunnel visioned but have a wider view of him having seen more than just the sky games he played in!!
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| I don't care if he is a 'lovely lad' or not i just think he is worthy of a spot in the starting 17 each week.
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| Quote ="GODS UNDERTAKER"not tunnel visioned but have a wider view of him having seen more than just the sky games he played in!!
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me too, but don'tlet facts get in your way.
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| Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Paul Cooke had a fantastic kicking game and a long bullet pass which was the evny of SL at the time.'"
And Whiting has his own attributes that make up for lack of speed. If Cooke is fast enough, Whiting is.
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Garry Schofield and Steve Evans were the best players at reading interceptions I have seen, perhaps we should offer those contracts too?'"
No. They're too old.
That's like saying:
"Richie Barnett was fast - should we offer him a contract?"
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"I am fully aware that not all players can be stars, thats exactly our problem, too many work horses and "solid" players.'"
No. That [iwas[/i our problem. Now we've offloaded some of the less capable 'solid' players (Horne, Lee etc), there is definitely a place for someone of Whiting's quality to fill the utility role - even if you don't see him as a first choice player.
Quote ="Mild mannered Janitor"Whiting is exactly a Jack of all as he doesn't have any position he could command himself. Not a disservice, just a reasonable assessment.'"
His position (within the squad) is that he can play just about anywhere very well.This is a big strength in a salary cap sport.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Even though he doesn't see himself as a 6?
Might be worth seeing how Horne starts the season before writing him off as well.'" Where would the fun be in that?
Just think that everything Horne brings to the Stand off position Washbrook is better at, even though neither are "true" 6's.
Also this wouldn't be a problem if Agar played Fitz in the 2nd row and Washbrook at 13.
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| Isn't it great to have options for a change. Last year even with a fully fit squad it just about picked itself.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Isn't it great to have options for a change. Last year even with a fully fit squad it just about picked itself.'"
indeed it is, and isn't also good to have the majority debating on opinion, not point scoring about who can and cannot get to all games.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Where would the fun be in that?
Just think that everything Horne brings to the Stand off position Washbrook is better at, even though neither are "true" 6's.
Also this wouldn't be a problem if Agar played Fitz in the 2nd row and Washbrook at 13.'"
Whenever Washbrook has played 6 he's done very well - as well as can be expected for a forward playing out of position. But he's not a 6 by any stretch of the imagination.
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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"Whenever Washbrook has played 6 he's done very well - as well as can be expected for a forward playing out of position. But he's not a 6 by any stretch of the imagination.'" Neither's Horne!
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