I would be canvassing Berrigan and Cusack's opnions first. Both have played under top coaches down under. Both will have an opinion on what are the causes of our current problems.

I agree just wonder if these players would be as damning when asked about current team mates, coaches etc.

The more feedback the better. You may find a familiar trend in what needs changing.

Probably not. But so much has changed in the short time since those players mentioned have left/retired.

Spot on.

True. Personnel has changed a fair bit but I wonder if the culture has?

Cant change an organisations culture if the same senior leadership is there doing the same rubbish.

So do you think removing the coaches and certain players wouldnt change the problems?

My message to the club, not that it will do anything:

I'm sending this message in the hope that the board will listen to reason and accept that the appointment of Richard Agar and Jon Sharp was a mistake that can be easily rectified, by simply handing them their p45's.

I cannot understand why these men are still in their jobs because I have seen no evidence to suggest they are the right men to lead Hull FC to success in any way, shape or form. Hull are currently sitting in 12th place of the Super League, a position which is wholly unacceptable for a club or our size and support. We are marginally better than the two promoted sides of Salford and Celtic- who's playing staff are nowhere near as talented as ours! We have won only 4 of our last 20 games, which in its self is a disgrace.

Hearing the excuses that come out of Agar's mouth every weekend makes me want to bury my head in shame, we are a complete laughing stock. I dont see the point in giving Agar/Sharp the start of next season to turn things around, it wont happen, we will be just as bad regardless of the introduction of new players. All we as fans will be left with is another wasted season of readjustment under new management, sack Rich and Jon and bring in someone with either the vision and determination to bring success or appoint an experienced proven winner, ala Brian Noble!

The fans will respect the Cheif Executive and the board, if they show the passion and the belief that we as a fantastic club deserve! Sack Agar and Sharp, or offer a reason why they deserve to stay without using tired excuses that no one wants to hear! I may be just a lowly fan, but it is me and my fellow fans that keep this club alive with our financial backing, this backing is dwindling by the day as I'm sure you are aware!

Do the right thing.

If that were to happen then the senior leadership wouldn't be doing the same rubbish, would it? They'd be directly addressing the problem.

They would just as they have with Kear, Sharp etc.

This wouldnt necessarily change the culture though, or could it?

Coaches and players would definately be a start, but the culture of a club includes the board etc. I dont think they need to go but i think they need to change their behaviours such as tolerance to certain things and their visibility etc.

Wholesale change seems to be the answer.

Ah. Thats the point I am getting at. By appointing a world class head coach to be the leader/head of the playing side of the business you could then change things for the better in both playing skills and attitude?

I agree about the tolerance to certain things 100%. If I was Rule I would be more active in this area even though the head coach is technically the players boss standards should be set from higher up.

We all know that we simply need rid of Kath, she is a parasite.

I have said on numerous occassions that the problems are deeper then just the players and coach...the whole set up needs looking at and for me the major one is the culture and purpose of the club.

No organisation can be successful if they haven't an identifiable purpose and a culture that surrounds that purpose (or objectives if you like)....the players, non playing staff, coaches and management should all then work within the culture to drive the club forwards.

I get the distinct impression that there is a mentality at the club of a groundhog day approach lacking dynamic leadership and most of all vision!

Exactly. We already have a pretty good commerical side to the business. Our senior leaders/board is well involved in that.

Our playing side is poor, we have addressed that i believe we the shake up of the squad for next season. Linked into this is the coaching aspect which hasnt been shaken up and worries me. I would have an entire clear out there too and start fresh.

Our customer base is loyal to the product. Doesnt sound like we are far off when its summed up like this but the one key link in the chain is the coaching sadly.

Agree. I'd be interested to hear Rule speak passionately about where he sees the club in 5 or 10 years. I'd be interested to see if Rule has spoken passionately with the players too.

Im very concerned looking at the passion and dynamic leadership that Agar shows. Hardly inspirational.

Two words...

wet


lettuce


He's about as inspirational as Custor, his victory record reads like "Great French Military battles", and they even managed to lose a civil war, against themselves!

THE MOST BORING ATTACKING COACH IN THE LEAGUE BRING BACK KEAR

The club have worked hard to achieve commercial (financial) success and have done well on this front. rule told me some time ago that they were looking to develop income streams to protect the club from fluctuations in on field performance and they seem to have done this to some extent.

I don't believe for a minute that they don't want a successful side on the pitch (That would, after all, result in financial pay off) however I do believe the lack of in depth knowledge of the game at the top level has led them down some blind alleys, leaving us where we are now. They really need a top quality RL person to sit on the board and operate at a strategic level (Either a top class head coach with experience of what works or a DOR with the same level of knowledge).

What we currently have is rule and co dicatating policy in an area they have little knowledge of, and leaving the day to day implementation of the operational (playing) side of things to an inexperienced manager who hasn't the skills or experience to do it.

If we had someone with experience of the pro game (playing or coaching) at board level then agar would likely not been appointed and, if he had, his deficiencies would have been highlighted very early on and something done about them.

Not saying you are wrong Jake but was role does Kath play in the set up? I could be wrong but what Kath doesn't know about RL you could write on the back of a stamp with thick marker! (I'm not defending Kath by the way)

Does she? I see very little evidence of it to be honest. Who did she play for? Was she a hooker?

Agree 100%, said this months ago about having RL nouse (sp) on the board, also if they are to stick with Agar then they need someone with great experience behind him as DoR, as alluded to earlier on another thread such as Folkes being that such person/role.

The dobbins have phil lowe on their board to look at the playing side of things. Very well respected around the world

Don't they sponsor Rovers?