Bingo!

Given that much of the assessment of the licence application related to the period before rule took over (gates, facilities, league position, stronger finances etc.) he can hardly take all of the plaudits can he?


He has also overseen a decline in playing standards, coaching, serious administrative errors, poor player retention and recruitment alongside spats with the local media. If you feel that is good performance then god help us when things go wrong.

We can only speculate where we'd be now if we'd paid top dollar for a "stronger" candidate, but much like paying top dollar for a decent coach (remind me who decided to appoint the inexperienced agar), you give yourselves more chance of success.

And the award for over-reaction of the night goes to....

Naah

I'd save all my dosh and look on here and gain the benefit (FOC of course), of all the fooking experts, who have become so successfull in life that all they have to do, is fill their time by posting stupid messages on a web forum.

The club exists and is ran successfully for one reason only.

Us the fans.

End of story.

I will never throw, well we have a grade a license at anyone. For example, lets say throw it at a rovers fan. Response "we beat you on your own muck" "we are better than you"

Holds feck all meaning to me.
Shove this bollax where the sun don't shine if we dont have a successfull team WHICH IS WHY WE PAY THESE CLOWNS!

God, the grad a license is fantastic, as is everything financially. We are well run and fair play to it. But you know what, It for me comes as a gloating secondary factor. We have that AS WELL AS a successful team What those players do when I go and watch is all I really care about. I want us to win, but if we are crap, as long as we show effort and give a for my money, I am a happy boy.

What a lot of you chaps on here need to realise is that we finance the vast majority of this. We are actually in control as without us nothing acutally exists.

That's a very broad statement, unless of course you also work for Sky and some of our sponsors!!

Do we? Not sure that's the case TBH.

Fans contribution is through pass sales, matchday tickets, and merchandising.

Other income streams are the Sky money, sponsorship, and corporate sales.

It would be interesting to see a breakdown on these items (not sure they're in the abbreviated accounts that get published) because I reckon the split might surprise a few.

To be honest I had a few beers at pool last night when I wrote that.
The point I was trying to make is that the fans are tantamount to the clubs overall success

Your post is spot on.
As with any sporting club, you take away the fans and they have nothing, people can bang on about sponsorship and Sky money, but why do you think sponsons whant to be involved in the first place? I'll answer my own question, to sell their produce to you, the fans, and If we the fans were not subscribing to Sky, do you think for one minute they wouldn't drop RL like a hot potato, Why do you think one of the criteria for the licences is 10,000+ fans, that wasn't done on a whim, I suspect that Sky had a say in that. The underlying truth behind all of this is that without the fans there is no professional game,only the amateur game.

There's no doubt that no club can exist without the fans, no matter how good the alternative income streams might be. There's also no doubt that success on the pitch is not only important for the fans, but also for many of those other income streams as well.

Something that perhaps has been forgotten at least temporarily by the management of the club.

Couldn't agree more. At the end of the day it doesn't matter what licence the club has if no one goes to watch. The licence is important though because the RL have said you need one to play in the top competition and we have the best grade you can get. Medium/long term this gives us our best chance of success in the top competition however it's down to the club management to ensure this happens. An improved recruitment and retention policy would go a long way to achieving that.

I think u will find the fans do contribute the majority of the clubs income.
Gate receipts 13 home games, av crowd 14000 av ticket price £15 gives £2730000.
Club shop sales £1 million.

Income from fans = £3.73 million

I think that is the majority of £5million turnover........

You need to knock off VAT from that, that will be close to £0.5m



To the original poster, the operations manager, as you post it, is not in he first coaching appointment

Think you missed the point. The club has turnover between £5million and £6million. Over £3.7million is form the fans......

You don't think an error that cost us 60 grand is serious?

Not all the 14,000 people who gave pay £15, some are pass holders, soe corporates etc.

Not when it earned us far more.



and it wasn't £60k

HTH

Point missed again.
We are discussing the turnover of the club. Someone stated the fans do not contribute the majority of turnover to Hull FC. I have proved they do.

Care to dispute that fact?

It was £100k with £40k suspended. It didn't earn us any more as we'd have beaten rochdale and widnes without thackray. It also doesn't include the intangible cost of us looking like idiots to the rest of the RL world

Who ever posted that was misguided. But its hardly a suprise that a companies customers is the main sourse of its turnover.

I think the point was, as individuals each customer alone provides a very small amount, where as a sponsor / sky would provide a large amount, as an individual contributor.

Try telling that to paul duffen

you really are a jake, or is your username just spelt wrong?

Are you still pretending you have inside info on the club that you can't divulge or tell us who it came from?

His inside knowledge is of kath Hetherington