We did ,But we also missed the "creativity" of Dykes for Horne to run off. You can even chuck in Carvell's off load in the mix.

said that in the 1st five games we won did you, no didnt think so.
if the fowards dont create a platform he cant create and he aint a one man show.

I agree but its not all Hornes fault we dont creat anything as some are implying

The forwards can't create much platforms whatsoever then because we hardly ever create decent chances.

Who said it was Hornes fault? If we had a proper SH and a world class one at that, Horne himself would be a far better player. His running game would improve drastically.

its all ifs and but and we havent and we wont have this season either.

Thorman and the forwards were better in those games.

HALLELUJAH.

Far from it.

thats what im trying to say, Rich is a class act but he cant create anything when we dont have a real scrum half and the pack are playing crap.

So are you saying that Horne is a creative player?

YES when he has the right players with him, which at present he doesnt,

That's what I've just said and you have just I'm talking bollox!

look you implied Horne wasnt creative at all and that all he was was a runner.

Horne for me should be on the shoulder of every player with a decent offload and running off a creative 7.

yes he should and he has had too much pressure on him in the past to play at 7 when he is more of a natural 6.

But but but that means going away from 5 drives and a kick.

If Horne created better opportunities, players around him would look better, running through gaps etc.

But so was Horne, honestly the blinkered Horney lovefest that goes on on this board is scary at times.

Yes , Its painful isn't it.

there you go again.

I think we looked a better outfit with Thorman at fullback. Lee was an able replacement. Maybe he's matured abit since last year. I'd be surprised if Agar splits up his precious Half-back pairing as it's been built up so much. Maybe Saints isn't the time to tinker but i think Hall is better off on the wing. I expect our new recruit will play fullback so we don't have to split them up but i would.

GROW UP
Horne is an influential player for Hull FC and im sick of repeating the reasons why when you clearly cant understand them.

Thats because he isn't a creative player. Put for instance Orford next to him who will be the creative player, then we wouldn't expect Horne to try and create as much, whereas with Thorman and Horne neither of them create much at all.

Although it would be nice to have two creative players, so the opposition wouldn't know where all the plays are coming from just the one player.

apparently according to sky text Thorman will start at fullback, i thought also we looked better when Thorman moved to Fullback.

see post below. not repeating myself again.