Not surprised - only forward who gave a to$$.

I just don't understnad anyone picking Thorman at fullback, he is arguably the world's worst in that position!

I can see why Horne might be mentioned but we really can't afford to lose him from the middle of the pitch.

Hall
Calderwood
Horne/Whiting
Yeaman
Briscoe
Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
King
Radford
Tickle
Washbrook

Cusack
Thacks
Manu
Lee

Only problem is I prefer Manu to start but he does give impact from the bench

There is no structure at Hull, regardless of what 17 you pick the result will be the same.

There is a structure. It involves sending a forward into the line off the acting half while the remainder of the team stand in a line 20 yards behind all that sorting out the next play. The structure is too rigid and players should be moving much more fluidly pushing through the ruck and off the ball. To play that way requires more effort unfortunately.

Hall
Calderwood
G. Horne
Yeaman
Briscoe
Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
King
Radford
Manu
Washbrook

Cusack
Maloney
Whiting
Lee

Wouldn't have Tickle or Thacks anywhere near my starting 17.

hall
calderwood
g horne
yeaman
briscoe
r horne
thorman
king
berrigan
cusack
radford
manu
whiting

dowes
washbrook
tickle
thackery

This is close to what I would say should be the starting 17. Although I believe we have to find a place for Whiting I still think it is unfair on the hard work G Horne has put in over the last few weeks. Would like to see Whiting on the bench but I also like the bench choice.

I'd go with that Paul - possibly Houghton on the bench in place of Lee. Disappointed that none of them, with the exception of Thacks got a rest on Sunday. Would have liked to see some of the squad players get a game and make a challenge for places.

If G horne is not in the starting 13, he should be on the bench becuase he can still play a few different positions.

If you'd seen the reserves on Saturday Whiting and Maloney would be no where near the team either!

I'd start Lee and play Houghton on the bench. Drop Berrigan.

Don't think we can risk moving too many players about, but we are certainly once again lacking ball players in the side and impact from the bench. For that reason, Whiting has to come in somewhere and Thackerey should be back in the 17.

I'm afraid we are once again having to get used to the fact that the club has not sorted the issue of scrum half out once again. They may say they got their fingers burnt in bringing Dykes over, but he was our only creative force and class player when fit. Every other side in SL has a dominant no 7, maybe not the best no 7s ever but nevertheless out and out scum halves. We haven't. Therein lies the problem. Not a dig at Thorman personally, simply a fact.

I did see the first team on Sunday tho

What it will be / =redwhat I'd like it to be:

Hall
Calderwood
G. Horne =redDrop, Whiting in if fully fit
Yeaman
Briscoe
R. Horne
Thorman
Does
Berrigan
Cussack
Tickle
Manu =redBench
Radford =redPut to 2nd Row, Lee in.

King
Moa =redDrop, Thackray in
Lee =redStart at 13
Houghton

when is the squad announced ?

Hall
Calderwood
G.Horne
Yeaman
Briscoe
R.Horne
Thorman
Dowes
Berrigan
Cusack
Tickle
Radford
Washbrook

Houghton
Manu
King
Thackray

Is how i hope we line up on Friday, Agar really needs to put his hand up and say Radford at 13 simply isnt working.

He also needs to put his hand up and stop blaming the players and admit his tactics down the middle all the time arent working too.

I know but i dont think he will do and i fear the worse for Friday.

Yup, im normally positive but unless Agar changes his ideas i'd simply be clutching at straws.

1. Hall
2. Calderwood
3. G Horne
4. Yeaman
5. Briscoe
6. R Horne
7. Thorman
8. Dowes
9. Berrigan
10. Cusack
11. Radford
12. Tickle
13. Lee

14. King
15. Thackray
16. Manu
17. Washbrook

Hall
Calderwood
Whiting
Yeaman
Briscoe
Horne
Thorman
King
Berrigan
Dowes
Radford
Tickle
Washbrook.

Manu
Cusack
G Horne
Houghton/Lee

Play with three props and spell Radford there, start with King as when Cusack and Dowes go off our ruck defence suffers.

Whiting at Centre as it gives us more attacking threat.

Washbrook LF to give us an extra pivot.

Whiting was run round 3 times by a 17 year old that ive never heard of on Saturday and is no where near the first team yet imo.

Washy to 13 i agree, but he has to step up big style from Sunday.

Agar has to take some blame for our boring rugby but regardless of tactics the players need to shoulder a huge chunk of blame, they are the ones showing the wrong attitude, being lazy and looking disinterested.

Should they players be given a new attacking structure that is not going to make them suddenly pass better, run faster and harder and not miss tackles etc.

Why don't we play with the same philosophy we did at Odsal, they tactics were good and the players seemed committed?

fom what i hve seen off maloney he is no were near gud enuff i would go with king