His defence has been poor and his kicking in general play has been shocking most of the time. He looks slow and (bradford game apart), has created little with ball in hand. If you feel he's the man to take us to the next level then fair enough. Personally, I don't

Deep field kicking has not been as good as I'd hoped for sure. Attacking kicks have been excellent - his bombs come down with ice on regularly causing serious bother for the opposition and his grubbers are excellent. His defence has been no worse than Rich Horne's in my view. Not saying he's international class but he is better than average and better than what we have had available - Dykes was a great player but mostly unavailable as we all know. If he's replaced by a world class hb I'll be as chuffed as the next man but we are a better team than last year because we have 2 hb who complement each other.

Doesn't surprise me one bit. As I said on one of the locked threads, this is a pretty big decision for the UKBA and while it could come tonight it may be another few days at least. If they refuse it again it could mean open season on people with convictions. If approved it could mean people like Eastwood and Carney trying to jump on the "bandwagon", so they have to be careful to get it "right" from their perspective. Not sure if it still happens but the decison could have been sent back to the UK for a senior official to decide.

Of course they may divert the team coach to Heathrow on Saturday to pick Michael up......

Think that you are being a bit harsh for this season. however, am not sure he is the 7 to take us to the next level.

With Thorman on the park R Horne is playing a lot of great rugby ..He has got freedom ..Other teams have to watch 3 play makers Berro /Thorman/and R Horne ..That why we have won 5 games we have halfbacks on the park TOGETHER dictating the play

( My opinion)

You're right. Played 6.

Horne: tries 3, assists 1, metres 538, tackles 113, busts 14, missed 7
Yeaman: tries 3, assists 1, metres 482, tackles 68, busts 7, missed 5

Shocking

He was never signed as the man to take us to the next level, hence the 1yr deal.

The only problem i have is that if he makes a mistake,nobody says anything yet Calderwood for example is getting stick left,right and centre,which is unwarranted imo.

Briscoe is a outstanding prospect but we are making him out to be a world beater,he should be used as cover when Raynor is fit(if he comes back into the team) but shouldnt be let nowhere near the centre position yet.

That better for you.

Really can't believe this, one defeat by one point and some people are taking the players apart.

There were two people to blame for Friday, lets just hope it was a bad day at the office for both.

1 assist each is shocking. They both could and should have put their wingers in for at least 3 or 4 tries by now.

And to give context

Shenton: tries 2, assists 2, metres 496, tackles 103, bursts 12, missed 9
gidley: tries 4, assists 2, metres 509, tackles 156, bursts 9, missed 3

Clearly shows that G Horne is the best centre in SL!!

Stats are soooo informative

Its all about the context!

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Very good.

If you read it again you will see that I am saying that these 3 give us all the utility back up we need lets not sgn anymore utility players!!!

Thats the problem we have in the squad at the moment, Peter Sharp in his infinite wisdom seemed to want utility players who clould play in various positions, this has proved to be a big mistake and i think over a period of time Agar & Sharp will release maybe 2 utility players and sign one top quality player to satisfy one position (centre/full back being the obvious positions), however i think it will be 2010 before they are able to do this due to the contract situation with the players involved.

Grand Final appearance and a Wembley appearance indicates to me that it wasn't a big mistake, we have only got 2 utility players surplus to requirements, we are carrying too many forwards though.

whilst Bryne has been ok, we shouldn't have used a quota spot on someone we could find a British equivalent of. Cusack looked a poor buy last season, but has proved his worth now.

I think the priority has to be a new centre to give us more creativity out wide and possibly a new fullback dependent on Motu Tony's knee

if a top class half back (I mean current international/state of origin standard) was available I would sign them as a priority as well, good though Thorman has been so far (he could be retained as well if we lost a couple of forwards)

I agree for next season a top quality seven is required, we do have 3 utility players in our squad at the moment in Whiting, Byrne & G.Horne, releasing 2 of these would also give us scope to sign an out and out centre and retain 1 player to give us that utility value.

But clearly, Horne and Yeaman are there, or thereabouts compared to the competition at this stage of the season. To say they are inconsistent was a little harsh.

Also, some of our "utility" players have become utilities because of needs over the years. People like G Horne and Whiting have never had the chance to settle into one position because of the injury problems FC have had year-on-year since they started. I know it sounds like a long time but think back to the last time we had a settled squad. Even the winning Challenge Cup team had a winger at full-back and a hooker (now our no 1 fullback) at wing.

Let's give Horne a chance and see how he does. Oh, and let's give Yeaman a chance and see how he does.

I think Byrne's as good as gone

and Whiting unfortunately has it all to prove again, he's been incredibly unlucky with injuries, but we can't hand out new deals based on what he did 2 years ago, nor do I see where he fits into our current side.

i'd give G Horne a new deal though, as he's really upped his game and won't cost much.

Tickle and Yeaman?

Tickle and Agar