Was about to ask the same.

my iq is 118, slightly above average, do you even know yours? I dont dislike westerman, just dont rate him as a rugby league player as highly as some. Childish insults maybe, but so true. You are a proper bellend

Is your foot full of bullet holes?

Bitching and slagging off apart,there has been some valid points raised about both players.Im not a massive Westerman fan either,he can have a couple of good games but then go missing for a couple,too inconsistent for me and always misses the big shot but can get his hands dirty as well so can see both sides of coin.Abdull is a 13 wrote all over him and will be outstanding in that role in yrs to come,if a offer came in,I'd take it for Westy and play Whiting at 13 until Abdull is ready.

Whiting at 13, I'd rather have Minichello there tbh

Whiting at 13? No ta.

Abbo will play there EVENTUALLY. I wouldn't have an issue if Westerman was injured and Abdull stepped in. He'd be an able 13.

Westermans annoying habit of jumping out to make a big hit and missing is getting ridiculous now.

Another Westy myth! Can you even jump out of the line in the middle? I reckon 90%+ of his tackles are on forwards, maybe his line speed should be replicated by those around him in that case?

Not a myth. What I see and those around me.

Westerman for me has NOT lived up to the hype. Remember we paid a hell of a wedge to get him (More than Sneyd). I know which has given better VFM.

He was player of the year and represented England last year! He's been fantastic for over 2 years now. People just don't like him, that's fair enough, but there's absolutely no stats to back up this idea he's not been anything else but very good.

Absolute nonsense. I really like the guy but think he's overrated as a rugby player. And to say he's been "fantastic" for two years is an exaggeration of gargantuan proportions.

Best look out Yeamo. It appears that some people are putting another name forward as scapegoat.

Can you explain just how he's overrated? Because winning player of the year and getting international recognition don't point to someone being overrated. He's not been as good in attack as he was last year, but he's still been fantastic in defence.

You've only got to ask the players he plays with every week how good he is.

He's missed 37 tackles all season. For reference, Minichello has missed 72 and Houghton 54.

So, yes - it is a myth. I guess some people just see what they want to see.

Oh - and it's not his responsibility to live up to the 'hype' or justify his transfer fee. Neither are under his control.

Westy was more effective last season in attack,
as he knew his role , as he was the main central pivot.

This year with Sneyd, assuming that role, both Westy & Sneyd for mine both appear to be confused, who is the central pivot.....

Defensively Westerman is superb. -IMO

For mine IF Westerman went to Wigan, he would fit into their style easily, he is a similar style of player to O'Loughlin..

Good hands,high defensive work rate.

The tackle stat is a joke, do you even know how its calculated? (although houghtons tackle count is impressive as hes often first man in the tackle) Its got nothing to do with people not liking westerman or the transfer fee etc, people form an opinion by watching him week in week out for the last few years. Just because you and 1865 put yourselves on a pedestal when it comes to deciding who is a good player, which players have potential etc etc. Doesn't mean the rest of us cant have an opinion

Westy
Missed tackles - 37
Errors - 5
Pens - 7 impressive for his volume of work

Mini
Missed tackles - 72
Errors - 26
Pens - 16
Not bashing mini at all but if Westerman had those stats there would be some on here in sheer meltdown

All you've done is prove that stats can be miss leading, and maybe should trust what you see in front of you. Not one person on here would say Westerman as had a better season than Mini.

Not at all. In attack they have differing roles. Stats are not the be all and end all of everything. But great indicators in certain areas. 26 errors and 16 pens are irrefutable stats. Missed tackles can vary due to ares played in. But 72 is still a lot. I have seen this plenty. I also saw last yr Westy being in our top 3 players nearly every week. I mentioned this to a pal after about 8 games last yr. Said I wouldn't of not had him top 3 in any game. So I sort of looked out for him. With 2 months of the season left had him player of the yr. Ellis was unreal at the end though so pipped him for me. But he still got picked for England. But this yr he's been a little off in attack. But work wise been tremendous again. Only people now brain wash themselves he's been no good whatsoever which really is a case of not seeing what's in front of you.
Westy hating is 1 of the strangest phenomenons I've come across on the Fc terraces. In his time here there's been plenty of more worthy candidates for abuse but he gets hammered. Rankin adored for his effort and enthusiasm. Westy-nope. It's really odd to me

I don't think Westerman gets hammered, I just don't think some people rate as highly as others, I don't think he's no good whatsoever, just think overall in his Hull career he's been very average, and wouldn't be bothered if like a few have suggested he leaves

I've seen every game he's played for us. Some of them multiple times. I don't form my opinion on stats alone, but they are a useful tool for pointing out some of the more egregious myths that surround some players.

And if it has nothing to do with the transfer fee why does it get brought up every single time?

Nobody has suggested that you aren't entitled to an opinion, but no opinion is immune from challenge.

Westy's also had to cope with an injury after having to get used to Pryce and Sneyd finding their feet and taking more of the responsibility for our attack away from him. Last season he was just about our sole playmaker. I think since he came back his form has been gradually improving with his poorest performances always served up when he's just trying too hard and usually when it's not going well generally. Last season's form and the mitigating factors this plus his work ethic make him a player we surely need to persevere with and our coach needs to work with him to get the best from his undoubted talent.

Westermans error stats need to be viewed in context because most of the mistakes he makes wouldn't be counted by OPTA such as a poor offload which goes to the opposition or a team mate knocking on due to a poor pass for instance.

It's the same with missed tackles if a player makes a horrific read in defence and doesn't even get a hand on the runner it wouldn't count as a missed tackle on their OPTA stats.

westy is an enigma, bit like marmite, for me he does a lot of graft down the middle and imo we would miss him if he left,

There is also a business side to all this IMO.

I'm in the camp that if we sold JW, then JA would do a grand job of replacing him, and may even be better. (others are not as convinced which is fine)

JW is linked to 'bigger' clubs all the time, I get the feeling it's inevitable he will go at some point. So is there a decision to let him go to the highest bidder now, knowing that we have someone within the club who can probably step up, or leave his to run his contract down (2 years I think?) then lose him for nowt?

IF your in the camp of believing JA can fill his boots right now which I am, there is a really good argument for letting him go for a decent wedge?

Just throwing it out there!