Yes.

We did.

It's just that one of them is masquerading as a Loose Forward.

I meant 3 off the bench

TBF that's not a bad idea, Lee offers nothing off the bench.

He's actually a better Loose than Radford. So I guess it depends if we want to start playing with a Loose Forward again any time soon rather than three props for half the game.

In the conditions surely any 3 of 4 off the bench of Thacks,Moa,King,Maloney alongside Houghton would have enabled us to win the forward battle knowing Quins like to play around the ruck area

I'm puzzled as to why Agar persists with this !.Either he has his favorites within the team who play regardless. Or he's he's picked up some NRL rubbish from Sharp.

no can do mate



i stated on here a while ago,if rich doesnt produce then he will have to go,hull fc is my team and thats all that matters to me.

still think he will do a job for us tho, along with sharp.

but thats just my opinion.

I would agree also.

Bingo

I'm a believer of what you see on match day is a reflection of what is practised during the week, that being the case why have we moved from looking like we could score from every set with width at Bradford, to the narrow chanelled introverted games of the last two.
Plenty on here have said why change a winning team? the same applies to, why change a winning style of play? especially when you can build, expand and improve on that play.
Berrigan said a couple of weeks ago, 'watch us go you aint seen nothing yet'.
Sorry Shaun...........yes we have.....most of last season.

Your faith isadmirable, but fear my misgivings when both appointments were made will be borne out.

Agar couldn't change a tyre, let alone the direction of a game.

No part of our performance was acceptable on Saturday other than maybe the first 15 mins. Moa needs to e dropped imo until he can play some proper gametime.

Its no disgrace to lose at Quins (we should all be used to it by now) and Cas are in great form at the minute so the results aren't a huge concern. The big concern is just how quickly our confidence seems to crumble and thats not just the players. I think the coaching staff need to be a bit braver and give the team licence to play some expansive rugby or at least have a plan to be a bit more inventive whilst keeping it tight.

Agar is still learning so lets hope he takes what he needs to from the game and can learn from it. Not sure which part of the first half he was happy with though.

Agar is still learning so lets hope he takes what he needs to from the game and can learn from it.

That's the head coach of one of the game's biggest and most ambitious clubs that you are talking about. If Agar was still at York , then yes , you talk about a coach 'still learning' BUT he isn't and he should now know enough to get it right. We need to pay whatever it takes to get Wayne Bennett across - WE ARE A VERY VERY BIG CLUB

I must admit that although everyone deserves a chance I think we will only move to another level with a top class coach !!
I think his game plan/Interchanges at the weekend has left plenty of people questioning his experience/knowledge !


Anyway as someone has said we have only lost two games and are still up near the top so give the bloke a chance.
We have plenty of time yet to complain !!!

All coaches are continually learning, even Wayne Bennett. HTH.

Agree, we just need someone at the top end of the curve, not part way through the steepest incline!

He needs to improve on a couple of things.

Improve our expansive game, we are a solid team that just does the basics but rely on tough defence forcing oppisitions mistakes, if this doesnt work, we wont score. We have scored one try from our own half this season, Which is very poor as we have some speed in our backs.

Make better use of subsm there is no point in having a player in the 17 to play 13 minutes of game.

Agar still has my 100% backing, especially in view of the start to the season. If you'd have offered me 5/7 before a ball was kicked i would of snapped a hand off.

My main worry following the Quins game was Agar stating he felt we were good in the first half !?!?! if that is acceptable as a good first half performance then i have a very different ambition for Hull FC then he does. Despite conceding silly points, i actually think we have an excellent defensive base and structure to our defence but isnt this Sharp's domain ??? with Agar concentrating more on the offensive aspect of our game - which is our problem.

The last 2 performances were about my expectation for us as a team before the season started - average, but because of the first 5 games, i remain very optamistic of a fruitful campaign.

Before he was appointed I said exactly the same thing. However, he is the coach now and I'm prepared to give him the chance to learn and improve and build the squad he wants. If things haven't improved by the end of his contract then I would be looking elsewhere.

Problem is both Agar and Sharp, as has been said so many times, are percentage coaches, we need someone with some flair to have an input.

Thorman went missing again on Saturday and Horne is back to tackling loads, which leaves his out on his feet when we need to attack, he can only do so much.

I dont think he did, he was playing to the coachs tatics and playing against a beaten pack.

We need to stop messing about with Berrigan and keep him on for the 80, Chad Randall managed it and look at the different he made.

I like Houghton but feel we are using him for the sake of it at the moment.

think people being a bit harsh on agar ,all managers make mistakes look at noble at wigan not doing great.He gets my backing , yes he has made mistakes but imsure he wil see this now if he doesnt then yeh i see reasons for having a go at him.