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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Coaching the correct things, picking the right team and making the right interchanges perhaps?
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Stop being sensible
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| I wish Horne would stop using a drop off then we might play a little more expansive.
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| Quote ="BP1"We are miles away from being able to seriously challenge for silverware and not just because of the third rate coaching set-up currently in place.
Out of our current squad (and based chiefly on form this season), only three players would unquestionably be capable of holding down a place in a Grand Final winning team, those players being Fitzgibbon, O'Meley & Manu. I would think that every Coach and supporters of the other thirteen SL clubs would welcome any of those three as worthy additions to a side aiming to be the best.
I would also possibly add Whiting to that list as well, particularly if a coach was able to fully utilise his undoubted Rugby brain, although there is a question mark over whether he could claim a starting spot in a side sitting atop the table.
Added to that are three other players (Long, Berrigan, Horne) who obviously have played, successfully, at the very pinnacle of the game. However, all three have experienced major problems with fitness/injury in the last twelve months and there has to be a question mark against all three being able to consistently reach the heights previously graced. Fully fit and injury free, yes they can, but therein lies the crux of the problem with those three players.
We also have a batch of promising young players (Briscoe, Briscoe, Lynne, Houghton, Hall?) who with the correct coaching and development may reach the top of the game, but who at the moment are clearly still some way short of Grade A status.
That leaves us with the bulk of our first team squad, (Tansey, Calderwood, Yeaman, Dowes, Radford, Tickle, Washbrook, Cusack, Lauaki, Moa, etc, etc) and I'm afraid to say they are nothing more than mid-table trundlers. Not necessarily bad players, but not exactly outstanding either, and no team made up with the bulk of those players is ever going to be doing a lap of honour around Old Trafford in October (this year or any year).
If we were able to build a team from scratch (hypothetically speaking) to win a Grand Final then I reckon only those three players listed above (Fitzgibbon, O'Meley, Manu) would definately be assured of their place in that squad. For the rest, there has to be serious question marks against their continued presence (too old, too injury prone, unproven, or just simply not good enough) within a side challenging for honours.
And, of course, all of this is before we address the major problem of our coach, the single biggest handicap within the club. But win lose or draw in the next three games, we're stuck with him, at least until the end of next season at the very earliest in my opinion, so I think some of us are going to have to lower our sights a little, because I'm afraid under the current coaching & playing set-up, the only way any of us will be attending Wembley & Old Trafford is as neutrals.'"
I disagree with so many things in this post that I almost can't think where to begin. Let's just go with "how many of these would be up to playing in a GF"
S Briscoe
Tony
Domic
Yeaman
Raynor
Cooke
Horne
Dowes
Swain
Carvell
McMenemy
Radford
Washbrook
Whiting
G Horne
Wheeldon
King
Oh, hang on - all of them
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| Quote ="downtheante"I disagree with so many things in this post that I almost can't think where to begin. Let's just go with "how many of these would be up to playing in a GF"
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Domic
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McMenemy
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Whiting
G Horne
Wheeldon
King
Oh, hang on - all of them'"
Oh yes we certainly set alight the 2006 grand final didn't we !!! What score did we win it again ??
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| We're not quick enough to play an expansive game. The opposition can read most of what where going to do because everything is 1 gear down from the rest of Sl.
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Oh yes we certainly set alight the 2006 grand final didn't we !!!
What score did we win it again ??
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it was hardly a discrace to lose to that Saints side, one of the best to feature in SL.
that said that 2006 side is better in just about every position than the current one, the backline in particular.
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| Injuries excuse getting rolled out as it looks like defeat in the next 3 and the pub team performance v Quins.
Agar has more spin merchants working for him than Mandelson.
If we lose the next 3 and Quins then HE MUST RESIGN
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| Lose the next three and confirmation that the season is over.
I think we will get two out of six, the season is still over and then we will see fans drifting away
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| Quote ="Big Dave T"Coaching the correct things, picking the right team and making the right interchanges perhaps?
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And not having half the first team on the physio bench helps too
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Same with Darrell Griffin IMO. Aspinwall and G Horne in the back row! Brown is certainly doing something right!'"
Griffin has always been a top class forward, Aspinwall is still average at best and are you saying honestly that G Horne has progressed at Huddersfield
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| Quote ="EXPRO"And not having half the first team on the physio bench helps too
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And if you have half of the first team on the physio bench having a coach who can adapt his gameplan accordinaly and can motivate the players left helps too
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| Quote ="fcthefuture"And if you have half of the first team on the physio bench having a coach who can adapt his gameplan accordinaly and can motivate the players left helps too
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and you really believe that dont you, you can loose a bunch of players flowing in rep honours , loose all the play makers and motivators and still win a GF, you honestly believe they are not trying dont you??
Did you ever play the game at any level??
Thats not a dig just a friendly question honestly
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Griffin has always been a top class forward, Aspinwall is still average at best and are you saying honestly that G Horne has progressed at Huddersfield'"
No your taking my quote out of context.
I am praising Browns ability to make average players look good and play well in a well drilled team (Saturday being an exception of course )
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| Quote ="knocker norton"No your taking my quote out of context.
I am praising Browns ability to make average players look good and play well in a well drilled team (Saturday being an exception of course
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Sorry I am not trying to belittle what you said...
What I meant was that Hudds can do that because the players who train midweek are carrying those set plays into the matches, every week however FC are cobbling together a team from the "whos left standing" scenario again which means that RA is relying more on the individuals to stand up and be counted than team plays , simple math really ..
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| Quote ="EXPRO"and you really believe that dont you, you can loose a bunch of players flowing in rep honours , loose all the play makers and motivators and still win a GF, you honestly believe they are not trying dont you??
Did you ever play the game at any level??
Thats not a dig just a friendly question honestly'"
Agar does.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"and you really believe that dont you, you can loose a bunch of players flowing in rep honours , loose all the play makers and motivators and still win a GF, you honestly believe they are not trying dont you??
Did you ever play the game at any level??
Thats not a dig just a friendly question honestly'"
Where have I said we could win a grand final with (or even without injuries), where also have I said that I beleive they are not trying ???
As for do I beleive a coach should be able to motivate players and adapt a game plan simple answer yes I do .
Did I play the game - yes at low amature level is that relevant ??
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| I can't see us beating Cats, not with the injuries we have. There could be as many as 12 players out and that would mean we had zero chance of winning in my opinion.
With a reasonable fit squad I would have expected us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas.
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| Once again then Paul M , it's the injury hoodoo striking for the 4th year in a row ie 2007 -2010 coinciding with us winning NOWT and finishing bottom and next to bottom of established SL table.
Are we a club who's success , or lack of it , is FUNDAMENTALLY & DIRECTLY linked to the physio couch.
Because that is what you are saying in your post. i.e. we would have beat 3 teams out of the bottom 4 if we had been at full strength as we were v Reds and Crusaders oops , we were at full strength , so where do you draw your conclusion in your last post ?
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Once again then Paul M , it's the injury hoodoo striking for the 4th year in a row ie 2007 -2010 coinciding with us winning NOWT and finishing bottom and next to bottom of established SL table.
Are we a club who's success , or lack of it , is FUNDAMENTALLY & DIRECTLY linked to the physio couch.
Because that is what you are saying in your post. i.e. we would have beat 3 teams out of the bottom 4 if we had been at full strength as we were v Reds and Crusaders oops , we were at full strength , so where do you draw your conclusion in your last post ?'"
We played poorly in those games and deserved to get beat. I did fancy us to beat Quins, Cats and Cas but that does not mean we would have done, it's my opinion.
It's also my opinion that if we have upto 12 players out that us or any side would struggle to win a game regardless of who they were playing.
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| our injury situation is defo a major factor in our results.any team who are missing £900k salary cap players are going to struggle.what i,and the majority don't accept is the poor tactical performance.if we got beat but played like we did at home to warrington it wouldn't bother me as much,but having paid out for me and my lad to go to edinburgh,to watch what we did,was totally unacceptable,and really can't see it changing as mr agar seems happy to continue with the 5 drives down the middle followed by a poor kick.
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| Quote ="jimmyfivebellies"our injury situation is defo a major factor in our results.any team who are missing £900k salary cap players are going to struggle.what i,and the majority don't accept is the poor tactical performance.=#FF0000if we got beat but played like we did at home to warrington it wouldn't bother me as much,but having paid out for me and my lad to go to edinburgh,to watch what we did,was totally unacceptable,and really can't see it changing as mr agar seems happy to continue with the 5 drives down the middle followed by a poor kick.'"
Exactly what i have said for a long time, if we play like that and lose it is bearable, the fact we are just doing nothing is what gets to us the supporters the most. You say about 5 drives and a kick and i would happily settle for that in the current injury situation, but we cannot even manage to hold onto the ball for 5 tackles without dropping it or gifting it back to the opposition.
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| Quote ="hullbg"Exactly what i have said for a long time, if we play like that and lose it is bearable, the fact we are just doing nothing is what gets to us the supporters the most. You say about 5 drives and a kick and i would happily settle for that in the current injury situation, but we cannot even manage to hold onto the ball for 5 tackles without dropping it or gifting it back to the opposition.'"
after the edinburgh debacle,i would love to see 2 or 3 of the kids given ago.tuffour on the wing would allow whiting to be given a more prominent role,and if horne and long are both out at the weekend(horne defo out)why not give one of the young halfbacks a runout.agar seems intent on playing ''senior'' players in positions which doesn't suit them.
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| Never going to see Whiting play anywhere but Centre/Wing/FB whilst Agar is running the show. He never gave any of the youngsters a chance last season even at the end when we had nothing to play for, why would he start playing them now?
I too would give a couple of them a runout this week as we are likely to lose it, unfortunately Agar picks the team.
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| Quote ="EXPRO"Sorry I am not trying to belittle what you said...
What I meant was that Hudds can do that because the players who train midweek are carrying those set plays into the matches, every week however FC are cobbling together a team from the "whos left standing" scenario again which means that RA is relying more on the individuals to stand up and be counted than team plays , simple math really ..'"
Serves him right for spending a huge chunk of salary cap on 2 players well into their 30's
His team, he should live and die by results
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