When Tony Smith was appointed, I was ecstatic.,
The first time in years, we signed a proven experienced Manager. And now we are seeing, the team playing with no intensity, ill disciplined, zero defense., even worse attack.
I believe Smith no longer coaches the team, surely the defensive coach, has no skills in tutoring , because we see the same issues game after game.
IF Smith gets a contract renewal, he's played a blinder..

I think we can give credibility to a current player, a former player and the father of another current player who all independently are rounding criticism at Smith.
There's no smoke without fire and our on field performances would certainly indicate there's issues within the club.

Also it's the coaches responsibility to improve the simple RL skills.
Would you say he's done that?

I don't believe it is down to a coach to have to teach someone who is being paid to be a professional (sic) RL player to carry out fundamental basics, no.

I do believe that the club is in a death spiral, and has been since 2018; with no apparent will or ability from the top to change course.

I do believe that he playing staff - with a few notable exceptions - have disgraced the club and themselves (not that they seem to care at all) repeatedly over a prolonged period.

I do not blindly support TS at all: nor do I believe hat it is all down to him, and that sacking him will be the magic bullet.

I have long held the belief that AP has made a catalogue of bad calls for a long time, and has seemingly learned nothing from any of them.

Smith goes, who comes in?

I'd bet its Grix.

The cheap option - Par for the course.

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Grix has done bugger all as well.he can go as well for me.

What coach would come to this club un this state, will only get worse amd would damage the persons reputation like it has for Smith.

Unless we find investment, bringing in a new coach is pointless.

If we had the finances and pull to bring in someone like Holbrook, Rowley or Wane I'd be all for it.
But if we sack Smith amd appoint internally, we might as well stick with Smith, at least he has some kind of track record of improving teams, compare that to Grix, Gene or Cummins.

When Smith left us it was because we wouldn't give in to his demands of total control of recruitment and the playing side of the game, he tried a power play with Lakin and lost. When he signed for you (and in numerous articles since) he's stated he has total control of playing matters including retention and recruitment. So the vast majority of the players you have were brought in by him and the ones leaving were released by him, Jake Connor being the main one, his article stated Smith never spoke to him and he got a 2nd hand message that he could speak to Hudds so felt he was unwanted.Hookers in half back rolls is Smiths decision, there were half backs out there that are better than you have, Reynolds would've probably come even Rowan Milnes is better than you have and I'm sure could've been tempted. If the players are downing tools then a good coach either never gets there or nips it in the bud. You needed a leader on or off the pitch yet let Gaz Ellis go, surely if yoy believe TS and all his change the culture smokescreen he's exactly the sort of guy you need around the place, yet he brings in Francis Cummins, the guy he shipped out of Leeds to improve their culture back in the day. Threre seems to be a realisation frm Smith he can't sort it as his latest recruitment peice was about that being in the hands of the CEO, sounds like a passing bus for Mr Clark to head under

That's valid.

I'm one of the fervent "Smith out" party, but I'm realistic in that we can't afford a Managerial coup and anyone who is worth their salt would see Hull as a poisoned chalice. Better the devil you know then the devil you don't?

I've just had enough of him and his rhetoric and waffle.

Write the season off, give someone, anyone, a free hit and allow 6/8 months to convince A.N Other.

I have to say I’m disappointed with Grix.
We are getting spanked, yet pitch side there’s no communication with the players
There’s no leadership within the team or the coaching staff.
Hoy & Okinbor just stood about , two of our biggest earners.
A bit of pitch side passion wouldn’t go amiss, even more on the pitch I hasten to add..

What about the free hit last season?
How many free hits are you going to give him?
Smith is the problem on the field has to go for the benefit of the club

Seriously how can you defend Smiths record since he has been here?
Those hookers in half back rolls were signed by Smith and played in that position by Smith
Before quoting Smith as the life saver at HKR look at some of his poor recruitment there and ask HKR supporters what they thought about Smith.
Where do you think the nicknames Tinkering Tony and toys out Tony come from.
Its no coincidence that since Smith left HKR a young coach Peters came in with a totally different approach in getting the players extremley fit and disciplined and working on defence has reaped its rewards.
Compare that on field difference and you should understand why Smith has to go

Nobody truly knows what went on at Rovers between Smith and Lakin so id take what you've heard with a hefty pinch of salt, i know people close to the club and one family member who has worked at Rovers for over 12 years and they have nothing but positives to speak of when it comes to TS and say very much the opposite in regard's to the reason he left. Furthermore you miss the point... Regardless of whether TS has minor, major or complete control of all things recruitment at FC hes working with two arms, two eyes and two ears tied behind his back, the sheer lack of funds available and the disparity between the players we lost (nothing we could have done about any of them IMO) and those we were able to bring in due to the money constraints from above gave him very little to work with. You talk about Reynolds and Milnes but whose to say either would have wanted to take a pay cut as that's what they more than likely would have had to do. Its black and white (pardon the pun) If Smith had the money to work with that Peters, Wellens etc had to work with we could be looking at 3 or 4 top level SL players to add to that current crop and sometimes that's all it takes as if you stick Ryan Hall, Tyrone May, Parcell & Minchella for example into our current side we would be transformed, hes working with whats hes got right now and whilst i don't agree with all decisions (Cummins coming in etc being one) i feel it only right to give him a long term opportunity to do what hes done at EVERY club and that's turn things round. You are very quick to forget that everything rovers are reaping the rewards for now, he laid the foundation's of. Don't let your red and white glasses cloud your judgment of what he did for you.

when did i defend his record? Its not good enough i concede that obviously, id be a fool to say otherwise, im just trying to give context to things and fans screaming for Smith to go is simply not what we need. We are were we should be with the players we have, you have to admit that? So with that been said whose gonna do better? It may honestly take another 3 or 4 seasons to fully turn this round, if we give him another at least 2 recruitment cycles with full cap like other teams higher in the table and hes able to bring in who he wants and the club can back him with the funds to attract players then lets see what comes of it eh? If hes still then not churning results out then yes i agree to part ways but fans are too quick to just blame coaches and press the panic/reset button when in truth, not one coach could come in and change our fortunes right now

No its not pointless if its Smith who is the catalyst for the on field problems which it seems to be.
We dont know what Grix is all about but get rid of Smith and his right hand man and give Grix the position till the end of the season
Cant be any worse

it is 100% pointless, answer a question for me... if we played to 100% the maximum of our capabilities with the players we currently have, injuries etc etc where do you think we would be in the table? **spoiler alert** we would be no higher....

We were under the previous three coaches too.

with a LOT better players too.....

He did do some good for us, we played some free flowing stuff and it was entertaining, it was also really flaky as well, our defence was flimsy and we attacked with no real structure but relied on the flair players we had to create xthings off the cuff, heads up rugby so to speak. Our recruitment was patchy as well for every SKD we had a Vete, every Kane Linnet there was a Takarangi. Kyle Trout just sends shivers down the spine. The odd one was Sims, he seemed to make an example of him and refuse to play him for any minutes, he wasn't great but he improved massively once Maggsy took over. Our play is night and day different under a new coach, yes we have better players and resources now but we also have a structure we play to, its a bit less exciting but i'll take that anyday. In essence if you have a club that doesn't have the quality or resources to get that quality for whatever reason then I'm not sure Smith has the answers, its job he's never done, every club he's been at has had improved investment and Leeds just had money and a ridiculous crop of kids coming through to add to that quality. thats my red and white specs off view.

wether smith is good enough or not,it would be nice near something from pearson or clarke on the current situation and wether we have any sort of plan for the future.yet all we get is total silence,thats what annoys me the most.

whats this then if you are not defending his record

"Couldn't agree more with this, i am sick and tired of seeing brainless posts calling for Smith to go.... hes by far and away the most experienced and arguably best coach in SL, His record speaks for itself

The difference is Pearson sacked them

Dont agree with that
These players are not the best but its obvious they have downed tools
Whether we agree with that method or not Smith seems to be the problem.
The Hoy situation and his fathers tweet seems to confirm there are problems with Smith and you only have to look at the Balmforth situation as its looks like those two have had words hence Balmforth doesnt get a look in for selection.
Of the injured players there is only Walker and Trueman who you may say could make a difference but i wouldnt bank on Trueman ripping up trees as in my opinion his injuries have cought up with him and the pace he had before his first injury at Castleford was clearly missing when we saw him playing alongside Clifford