straight red for me
the more you watch it the worse it looks

lets hope now Griffin has gone to Wakefield she can move onto the Wakefield forum

Carlos has to be destined for the second row.
he is a good defender and deceptively strong and can beat a defender one on one with good footwork

When you see how well Griff developed in the second row, it does seem a logical move for Carlos to do the same. He has both strength and speed.

Think Carlos would be very similar to Watkins in the second row, and for him it was a move that really re-ignited his career

If the rumours are true about what happened in Beverley on Sunday night then it seems Willie Peters is really passing down his knowledge to his players

Harsh on Carlos to say he's having an awful season. I don't think people realise how much coming back from such a serious injury takes out of you both physically and mentally.
Look at Griffin and Mcintosh and how long it has taken them to hit top form after suffering the same injuries plus Carlos has the added pressure of the captaincy.

Sounds like the big red machine got flattened

I wouldn't say Carlos has been awful I'd say it just seems noticeable that he hasn't been playing as well as he usually does. As you rightly say he is coming back after an injury & the same one that saw McIntosh and Griffin take time to come back from.

Conversely is it the fact that Scott has now started to show a good and consistent run of form that has highlighted this more so? This for me is a positive that there is genuine competition for the spots in question and that TS has shown if you aren't performing in not just game situations but in training also then you will be sat or in the reserves to focus.

Carlos has very rarely if ever let us down and don't think he'll start doing so now but the pressure is on with the performances of others.

With Griffin gone what is concerning is the poor form of Lane in a position we are not exactly flush with in terms of quality especially with Savelios injury concerns. Think Staveley has to start getting game time and it may also be an option as others have said to look at Carlos in to the SR.

Has two failed HIA's in 12 hours ever happened before?

Stood near Beverley Bus Station in his boxers

Do we really believe the linnet story. If you see a rovers player in his undies trying to scrap with someone, what do you do.

100% get your phone out and record it or at least make sure someone else is. I think if it happened there would be some evidence by now

Just received the audio file of it.

I used the word awful to describe Tuimavave's season, and yeah that word might be a bit harsh, but I'm judging him by his previous standards which have been very high ever since he joined the club. Statistically he might still look ok (although regarding errors, how many times has he caused an error that doesn't go against his name? The offload to Lane for example). His workrate is still very good, so of course he's going to have decent yardage stats etc. I'm more concerned about his poor defensive reads, or how often he gets caught flat footed these days, or how he isn't running the smart lines he used to.

Lots of centres get to the point in their careers where they just aren't dynamic enough to play the position anymore, and the logical move is into the back row. I think that's where Carlos is right now. A backline of Swift, Sutcliffe, Scott and McIntosh with Tuimavave, Savelio and Fash in the backrow could do really well imo.

It would be nice to see Staverly get a run out in the second row. Maybe coming of the bench. The lads certainly big enough.

I've only ever seen him when he played that little cameo against Cas, but he seems to be well thought of. The kid is a unit that's for sure.

Other option is Jebson, who is a very strong running backrower.

Shame Severs is out for the season, as he would have got a few games.

Got some good back row potential in the next few years.

The Linnett story picking up a little bit of traction on Social Media

Just watched Swifts first try again, what was Lewis doing, he gave up and could maybe have caught him, when he slowed down to round Walker.

I'd be fuming if that was a Hull player.

Yep certainly not good and if it really is the case seems the wheels may well be coming off their wagon.

Its a good comparison.Lets hope Smith sees it that way as i think he would be successful in the second row and lets face it Lane ot Carlos who would you choose?

destined for the front row rather than second row

Think long term you are right, but been playing nearly his gametime in the backrow for Newcastle and more likely to play for Hull in the backrow rather than frontrow.

Worked well for Scott Taylor

if its the same audio I have just listened to its left me in bits!

Yes, “I give him the old one, two and he was flat on his back”