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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"I was going to the Cas CC game but after listening to the rugby mater doesn't want to go now. I'm kind of in two minds, I want to go because I don't want to feel just because some turd is ruining my club that that should be enough to put me off from going when I can't get to that many games anyway (the £50-£60 cost per match is irrelevant) but offering my 'support' to the club at a time when a mutiny is being called for because of how dire the situation is doesn't sit well with me either.
I've always come to watch us, good or bad, win or lose. I know it sounds like a IAKOW, it isn't, I'm usually the first to pipe up and say we're carp (& vehemently so!) but the club is in my blood as it all of us and to not go because of how things are and because of the shiate we're playing sometimes feels as if you're being forced to act in a certain way and that doesn't feel right to me either, I can't really explain why.
Even if fans don't turn up do you think that will really change the outcome of what Pearson does when he's shown to be either ignorant of his mistakes or just so immature & lame as a himan being he can't stick his hand up and say he just got it plain wrong (the third reason rumour that he is somehow working for Allam and it's a deliberate long term ploy to get us out is ridicuous)'"
It may or may not work if people don't turn up, Pearson is a business man though and would act upon a crowd dwindling to near 7000 and below. The Cas CC game is a perfect chance for such a boycott as they can't add passholders on who dont attend to boost up the attendance. I'd much rather get my fix by going to watch the under 19s play in all honesty, imagine that if the 19s got a bigger crowd then the first team. Would never happen though too many are to happy just to turn up regardless and clap some of the worst stuff I have ever seen. You didnt even get one come on you Hull last night thats how deflated the place is, Ive never being so embarrassed to be an FC fan ever. I dont even wear colours now just so people dont ask me how the game went, cant bring myself to even talk about it!
In my years of supporting this club I have never refused to go but I do this season and I have a season pass, there not worth the agony or frustration anymore. Enough is enough, when pearson came he said we would never be embarrassed again but if anything this is worse then Agar era.
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| I left early last night for the first I can remember; I don't think I have ever been so bored watching a match.
We are completely devoid of any kind of attacking threat and we are going backwards. From where we sit we can here the coaching team and sometimes it is farcical. Last night, Sneyd was getting attention off the pitch for a cut and Radford was shouting into the radio, "get somebody on", "get somebody on", "anybody".
We never seem to build momentum, play the balls are just sooo slow. Jamie Shaul runs into to acting half to make yards and has to stand waiting for the play the ball. Liam Watts makes good yards and offloads, who to, Feka! Good effort by Feka to at least be there but he's not going to go the next 40 yards is he? Danny Houghton comes away from acting half and goes sideways, no runners and so as he is crabbing across he has to run away from the opposition, drops a ball off to a stationary player who runs into the opposition defense who've just moved up and stop him easily.
Michaels ends up with ball after one of our ponderous attempts at putting it through more than two sets of hands and decides he's going to take McGilvary on the outside 2 yards in from touch. Well that's never going work, yet 5 minutes later when McGilvary was crocked for a while and could hardly move, Yeaman just drives it in ignoring the opportunity outside him.
Lineham can't pass from acting half; ok, it's not his job to but when Talanoa insists on driving it in close to the opposition line, Tom comes in picks it up and has to swing the ball right before passing left like a grandfather clock, the opposition are off the line and another tackle is gone.
I know they have to spin it, but the coaching staff are delusional. Sheffield wasn't a "professional performance";our limited success this season comes from individuals. I would suggest the majority of our tries come from individual efforts and mistakes of others rather than tactically breaking down the opposition. Our build up play doesn't create space for players; we rely on smashing the door down, hope the opposition drop a kick or something off the cuff.
Rant over; i'm just getting sick of it all.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I won't be going to the cas game after last night's game. Maybe we should all email pearson to politely put our thoughts across'"
How do you do that? Is there an e mail address for him?
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Quote ="El Masa Loco"icon_twisted.gif How do you do that? Is there an e mail address for him?'"
probably adam@ hullfc.com or adam.pearson@hullfc.com
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Quote ="El Masa Loco"icon_twisted.gif How do you do that? Is there an e mail address for him?'"
probably adam@ hullfc.com or adam.pearson@hullfc.com
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| With 25 minutes to go last night my 14 year old son said to me 'are we leaving early tonight Dad?'. His friend who came to a few games the back end of last season and spent his birthday money on a pass and shirt for this season said ' I haven't been watching rugby that long but that was rubbish'. Basically I was sat there for 75 minutes (left 5 early) bored, the only reason I didn't go earlier is because I'm not sure when the park and ride buses arrive.
The only way forward now is for Radford and Last to be fired or walk, if not AP will be looking at serious financial losses next season, probably made worse by the reduced amount of money from Sky his Championship club will receive.
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| Quote ="mikey471"With 25 minutes to go last night my 14 year old son said to me 'are we leaving early tonight Dad?'. His friend who came to a few games the back end of last season and spent his birthday money on a pass and shirt for this season said ' I haven't been watching rugby that long but that was rubbish'. Basically I was sat there for 75 minutes (left 5 early) bored, the only reason I didn't go earlier is because I'm not sure when the park and ride buses arrive.
The only way forward now is for Radford and Last to be fired or walk, if not AP will be looking at serious financial losses next season, probably made worse by the reduced amount of money from Sky his Championship club will receive.'"
The other depressing thing about the club at the minute is that around us in the East stand at least there are more young passholders than ever, as the 'extra' fans we gained when we moved to the KC have now had kids of their own and are bringing them along. The way we are playing these kids will be reporting their parents to the NSPCC If they keep getting dragged along the boring games!
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| Must admit last night was a low in following hull. No atmosphere no energy by the team. Something gotto give.
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| The most entertaining thing last night was the guy at half time booting the ball in to the car boot. Closely followed by the handbags in SE corner.
Sick of it. There will be no Castleford CC match for me. Or Catalans.
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| think the handbags thing was as far as i could see was a bloke who was with his children complaining about 2 idiots in front of him, he cert wasnt happy about something
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| I can see your view for sure...but the work lee is doing behind the scenes in organising the club top to bottom is on a different level to his predecessor who was without doubt my error. .
I respect your right to withdraw pass holder funds and personal support but really believe you will miss a great season and struggle to replicate friday nights supporting your team..
I e-mailed Adam beginning of the season expressing my concerns and due to the poor season and lack of improvement I would not renew my pass as I believed Radford was not the right man for the job.
Above is a direct lift from one of his replies to me.
Wonder if he still believes that to be true.
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"I can see your view for sure...but the work lee is doing behind the scenes in organising the club top to bottom is on a different level to his predecessor who was without doubt my error. .
I respect your right to withdraw pass holder funds and personal support but really believe you will miss a great season and struggle to replicate friday nights supporting your team..
I e-mailed Adam beginning of the season expressing my concerns and due to the poor season and lack of improvement I would not renew my pass as I believed Radford was not the right man for the job.
Above is a direct lift from one of his replies to me.
Wonder if he still believes that to be true.'"
Should send him that email back and see if he stands by his words
Many more, even myself, will not or consider not renewing passes for next season if he insists on keeping radford in charge
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| Read a lot of posts on here but never really any about which players just arnt cutting it, we know rad fords not up to it but interesting to know what players arnt, Radford touched on 7 not putting effort in who are the 7? And why are they still at the club
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| Quote ="simon_tem"I left early last night for the first I can remember; I don't think I have ever been so bored watching a match.
We are completely devoid of any kind of attacking threat and we are going backwards. From where we sit we can here the coaching team and sometimes it is farcical. Last night, Sneyd was getting attention off the pitch for a cut and Radford was shouting into the radio, "get somebody on", "get somebody on", "anybody".
We never seem to build momentum, play the balls are just sooo slow. Jamie Shaul runs into to acting half to make yards and has to stand waiting for the play the ball. Liam Watts makes good yards and offloads, who to, Feka! Good effort by Feka to at least be there but he's not going to go the next 40 yards is he? Danny Houghton comes away from acting half and goes sideways, no runners and so as he is crabbing across he has to run away from the opposition, drops a ball off to a stationary player who runs into the opposition defense who've just moved up and stop him easily.
Michaels ends up with ball after one of our ponderous attempts at putting it through more than two sets of hands and decides he's going to take McGilvary on the outside 2 yards in from touch. Well that's never going work, yet 5 minutes later when McGilvary was crocked for a while and could hardly move, Yeaman just drives it in ignoring the opportunity outside him.
Lineham can't pass from acting half; ok, it's not his job to but when Talanoa insists on driving it in close to the opposition line, Tom comes in picks it up and has to swing the ball right before passing left like a grandfather clock, the opposition are off the line and another tackle is gone.
[uI know they have to spin it, but the coaching staff are delusional. Sheffield wasn't a "professional performance";our limited success this season comes from individuals. I would suggest the majority of our tries come from individual efforts and mistakes of others rather than tactically breaking down the opposition. Our build up play doesn't create space for players; we rely on smashing the door down, hope the opposition drop a kick or something off the cuff.[/u
Rant over; i'm just getting sick of it all.'"
That's hit the nail on the head
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| I still dont think I've fully recovered from last night.
For starters, Radford's team selection was bizarre. Firstly dropping Rankin, and secondly to move half of the team around to accomodate Yeaman.
As usual, our defence was good(ish), we made decent meters and had more than our fair share of field position.
But attack
Our kicking game is abysmal.
No desire to make that extra effort.
Concentration. Being ready for an offload or a team mate playing the ball.
Slow and laboured.
We never ever ever EVER draw the defender, commit the man. It's so easy to defend against. This is a direct result of the unopposed sessions.
No dummy runners.
No intelligence.
I've just had a quick look at the SL Stats website. As we know, we're the lowest try scorers. But we also have the lowest trys:try assists ratio. This adds weight to the point a lot of people have made on here about us relying on things like intercepts, or luck.
Last week on here I agreed with those who said Radford needs an attacking coach to come in and help. But it's too late, by the time the new plays start working their way through and attitudes gradually change, it'll be too late for the season.
However, if Radford were to go NOW, there's the slim chance that the players will play above themselves and atleast try and salvage SOMETHING. We see it a lot, new coach comes in, players suddenly kick into gear. I'm not sure how it works psychologically, whether it's to try and impress(?) I dunno, but that's the only option now IMO, otherwise, the season is fkd.
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| Quote ="@airlie_bird"It's interesting to see the reaction of people on here. 12 months ago it was a definite split. Those who stated its not the coach who tells players to drop balls and miss tackles, and others who felt that it was the coaches failings. (That's a simplified summary of feelings 12months ago).
I have been in the give Radford a chance as he has the job, but I didn't want him in the first place, camp. I personally felt at no time last season that we had any signs of improving under LR. He changed the philosophy of the team over night, from a team going in the right direction under PG after the debacle of Agar, to absolute dross. He styles us on the Bulls style of play instigated by Noble under which he got success. That was a style of the 1990s. It's not effective anymore. The game has advanced in style and technique from those days.
Knockers Bump was quite outspoken in saying what ability LR had in close season. I argued that he and we couldn't possibly know what courses, experience etc LR had picked up and that we should wait until Easter.
Well Easter came and we were dire vs HKR. We had a patched up bunch team vs Sts who happen to have a patched up bunch of kids and we got a rare win. We then beat a Widnes team who you could argue beat themselves.
Then Sheffield who competed admirably against us and troubled us at times. Yet nobody and I mean nobody was getting carried away. Our attack was still woeful and we simply relied on our defence. Well that only gets you so far in modern day full time rugby league.
I strongly believe Radford led a mutiny against PG. he is the one who has gained most from it. In my opinion he should be charged with fraud. He has totally misrepresented himself and Adam like a fool fell for it. After all if its too good to be true there has to be a catch.
Sadly the catch is that Adam has dug himself a bloody big bunker into which he has no escape. He's backed LR fully for reasons only he can explain. All I can see LR has done in the off season is paint a building and call it The Boulevard which will by all accounts inspire the squad (another fraudulent act).
So Adam if you do read this forum, and in all honesty to gauge some fans reaction he should, then enjoy the ride. Fans are deserting the KC. Not the club as they will be back once things improve. It's an expensive business following a team. So none of this IAKOW stuff. It's all about entertainment and value for money. Times are hard and not getting easier, so the more reasons you give supporters not to go the more they will not go. Pass holders will attend or be counted, but the walk ups will not. Shirt sales will drop and income will drop, but whatever you do don't blame us fans, as its your incompetence and that of the coaching staff that has caused that and not stay away fans.
Start immediately with a new coaching team who can inspire a half decent bunch of players and you might just keep the fans who go week in week out. Failure to act and its Bradford, Leigh, (hopefully) London and Sheffield again in the summer.'"
Great post - I feel exactly the same way, and have done since I watched Radford appointed in dismay.
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| Too late already now. Didnt think Pearson would have kept him up to this far. Its obvious he is not going to get rid of him so you can forget that. Just down to preying before the game now lol
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| Quote ="Errlee Berd"I still dont think I've fully recovered from last night.
For starters, Radford's team selection was bizarre. Firstly dropping Rankin, and secondly to move half of the team around to accomodate Yeaman.
As usual, our defence was good(ish), we made decent meters and had more than our fair share of field position.
But attack
Our kicking game is abysmal.
No desire to make that extra effort.
Concentration. Being ready for an offload or a team mate playing the ball.
Slow and laboured.
We never ever ever EVER draw the defender, commit the man. It's so easy to defend against. This is a direct result of the unopposed sessions.
No dummy runners.
No intelligence.
I've just had a quick look at the SL Stats website. As we know, we're the lowest try scorers. But we also have the lowest trys:try assists ratio. This adds weight to the point a lot of people have made on here about us relying on things like intercepts, or luck.
Last week on here I agreed with those who said Radford needs an attacking coach to come in and help. But it's too late, by the time the new plays start working their way through and attitudes gradually change, it'll be too late for the season.
However, if Radford were to go NOW, there's the slim chance that the players will play above themselves and atleast try and salvage SOMETHING. We see it a lot, new coach comes in, players suddenly kick into gear. I'm not sure how it works psychologically, whether it's to try and impress(?) I dunno, but that's the only option now IMO, otherwise, the season is fkd.'"
The unopposed sessions is such an important point. There is now so much research evidence that shows that practising skills that are not directly related to the actual sport doesn't work. The old view that using a smaller ball in football training sessions or making the defensive line closer in a RL training session is old fashioned tripe. All it does is improve skills related to the strange training technique. The very best way of training is to practice exactly as the sport is played.
Fc just seem so confused in everything they do, they look like they are playing a different sport.
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| Quote ="number 6"Many more, even myself, will not or consider not renewing passes for next season if he insists on keeping radford in charge'"
If he keeps Radford in charge for the rest of this season we'll be playing in the Chamionship next season. Pass sales will be the least of our worries.
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| After seeing carney tonight I'm going to email radford and suggest he gets pryce and sneyd to start drinking their own piiss
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"After seeing carney tonight I'm going to email radford and suggest he gets pryce and sneyd to start drinking their own piiss'" You must feel very proud of yourself.
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| Quote ="ccs"You must feel very proud of yourself.'"
I do. Let me have your phone number and I'll call you to explain how to use email
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| Quote ="number 6"Should send him that email back and see if he stands by his words
Many more, even myself, will not or consider not renewing passes for next season if he insists on keeping radford in charge'"
I am considering it but need to word it tactfully
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| I honestly think Radford is being paid by Neil Hudgell !!'
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| Quote ="Bombed Out"I am considering it but need to word it tactfully'"
I am certain information from fans comments is passed to Pearson but it would do no harm if you send him a link to this forum.
He also needs reminding that he promised us attractive attacking rugby under Radford.Ask him what happened to that and a direct question Is he still satisfied with the job Radford is doing as head coach of this club regarding the teams performance on the field.
We are not interested that he is good with stats and keeps a tidy desk.
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