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| Quote ="Chris71"I don't disagree that thanks to AP we still have a tomorrow but there's only so long or so many times you can keep saying the same thing about 'tomorrow' before its just becomes like the boy who cried wolf. Apart from releasing Reynolds, Shaul and Bowden personally I've seen very little change to what is being served up on game day, the capitulations still continue, discipline is as bad as its ever been, poor distribution, slow ptb, slow/lazy line speed etc etc.
All things that regardless of injuries/suspensions etc should have been addressed by now and whilst not being perfect should have at least seen a fairly significant improvement in things so far.
The investment and growth in the youth side of the club is great and for the future I've no argument on that, but the issues with the regular failure of the first team to put in 80 minute performances still remain with seemingly very little improvement if at all.'"
Adam is passionate about the club and he desires success as much if not more than many lifelong supporters.
Unfortunately his biggest downfall is his inability to get the right coach (and team) to put the club were here wants us.
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| An interesting interview with Kane Evans, in today HDM..
He stated , that some are focused into turning things around, and some are mentally weak, and down.
Isn't this a Manager's remit to rectify this matter.? man management is key if we are to get out of this predicament.. .
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| Quote ="weaver93"An interesting interview with Kane Evans, in today HDM..
He stated , that some are focused into turning things around, and some are mentally weak, and down.
Isn't this a Manager's remit to rectify this matter.? man management is key if we are to get out of this predicament.. .'"
To be honest that was a very open and honest assessment by Evans and shows the big issues with the group of players as they are not a team and have very little responsibility either on a personal/professional level or within the club with certain players. Don't think it takes Einstein to work out which players are which in Evans interview. There's is clearly an issue that certain players are just not buying in to what they are being asked to do or Hodgson himself whether its game day or training. Its disappointing that out of everyone within the club it taken Evans to say it as it is.
Feel its further proof that there is still a number of players that need cutting out the playing squad at the end of this season to stop the rot spreading deeper. If the youth is to stand any chance coming through then the rot needs be cut out otherwise it will simply continue to spread and affect players attitudes and mentalities and they need to be set and shown good examples not the opposite.
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| Blatantly obvious which ones Evans is hinting at. "the ones with their heads down" you can see them after each half hearted effort that leads to a try, hands on hips stood with heads down not giving a crap.
I'm trusting Hodgson finds new teams for these players as their under contract for next season too.
For me this season as a pass holder I cannot knock the efforts of the below who I can't say I've ever not seen them hiding or not trying.
Connor
Walker
Simms
Macintosh
Swift
Carlos
Mitch
Longstaff
Savelio
Mau
Sao (discipline an issue)
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Evans
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Cator (when fit)
Any not mentioned for me are a mixture of poor attitudes and the weak mentality that Evans mentioned, or simply not good enough anymore.
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| Quote ="Rocknrolla69er"Blatantly obvious which ones Evans is hinting at. "the ones with their heads down" you can see them after each half hearted effort that leads to a try, hands on hips stood with heads down not giving a crap.
I'm trusting Hodgson finds new teams for these players as their under contract for next season too.
For me this season as a pass holder I cannot knock the efforts of the below who I can't say I've ever not seen them hiding or not trying.
Connor
Walker
Simms
Macintosh
Swift
Carlos
Mitch
Longstaff
Savelio
Mau
Sao (discipline an issue)
Satae
Evans
Brown
Fash
Lovodua
Hookem
McNamara
Cator (when fit)
Any not mentioned for me are a mixture of poor attitudes and the weak mentality that Evans mentioned, or simply not good enough anymore.'"
For all Houghtons fault, I don't think you can question his effort.
I don't effort is a big issue, ability and mental strength is a big issue.
I've mention a few times, but I don't think we are very fit, seem to have alot of 2nd half collapses.
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| Leeds away Wakey away. Cats Wigan Home looked fit enough. Think it's more in the head IMO.
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| Quote ="hull2524"Leeds away Wakey away. Cats Wigan Home looked fit enough. Think it's more in the head IMO.'" In those games barring Wakey we had a really high completion rate though which is the thing that ties fitness and mental resilience together.
Do we have the mental strength to stick to a game plan and go set for set? or will we take shortcuts and go for the low % play which lowers our completion rate? Then when we are defending we take shortcuts by laying on for too long or straying offside and lack the mental strength to trust players to do their job meaning we have players trying to solve things themselves because we are defending too much because of our poor completion rate.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"In those games barring Wakey we had a really high completion rate though which is the thing that ties fitness and mental resilience together.
Do we have the mental strength to stick to a game plan and go set for set? or will we take shortcuts and go for the low % play which lowers our completion rate? Then when we are defending we take shortcuts by laying on for too long or straying offside and lack the mental strength to trust players to do their job meaning we have players trying to solve things themselves because we are defending too much because of our poor completion rate.'"
Nailed it ..
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| Quote ="Dave K."For all Houghtons fault, I don't think you can question his effort.
I don't effort is a big issue, ability and mental strength is a big issue.
I've mention a few times, but I don't think we are very fit, seem to have alot of 2nd half collapses.'"
You've not read the bottom paragraph, I stated the ones left off were for a lack of effort at times or not good enough any more, Houghton certainly falls into the not good enough anymore
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| I've watched lack of effort lead to trys
Shaul and Griffin worst culprits recently.
Then Taylor joined in see Cas at home
Also when you rewatch Olpherts slice through our defence, you see Houghton jogging back when more intensity would of had him on Olpherts back, same instance you see Jordan Lane do nothing.
I can't accept a lack off effort and intensity arnt a problem with some players. They simply switch off and then half heartedly react. It's not good enough. I'm watching it 30 yards in front of me from east stand....... The TV recordings confirm what I'm seeing when I watch the moments back.
Griffin away vs Saints absolutely gave up on a couple of trys. It's rife
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| I’ve seen enough this season to know the tail is wagging the dog and it is time he simply dropped the ones who believe they can disrespect the fans who pay their wages with the attitudes on display of late . If a player refuses to play in a position , end of discussion for me, send them packing however depleted we are that would never go on elsewhere and this notion that we are a big club needs banishing once and for all. We were once a big club , in the glory years of 1980-85 but now we are just a well supported club with an awful lot of trouble and unruly staff that need dropping and left to rot in the stands . They don’t deserve to be picked at any level for this club, so we can’t let them dictate to any of our potentially good players by allowing their attitude to pervade, even in the reserves . Time for honesty and I think fans would rather see a team of triers lose than some of the performances from the prima donnas who do t like the coach and so won’t perform .
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| Quote ="Super Alf Macklin"I’ve seen enough this season to know the tail is wagging the dog and it is time he simply dropped the ones who believe they can disrespect the fans who pay their wages with the attitudes on display of late . If a player refuses to play in a position , end of discussion for me, send them packing however depleted we are that would never go on elsewhere and this notion that we are a big club needs banishing once and for all. We were once a big club , in the glory years of 1980-85 but now we are just a well supported club with an awful lot of trouble and unruly staff that need dropping and left to rot in the stands . They don’t deserve to be picked at any level for this club, so we can’t let them dictate to any of our potentially good players by allowing their attitude to pervade, even in the reserves . Time for honesty and I think fans would rather see a team of triers lose than some of the performances from the prima donnas who do t like the coach and so won’t perform .'"
The problem is if we can see it then why doesnt the coach react.
Thats my big problem with Hodgson.It was evident to me months ago that he was too loyal to certain underperforming senior players.
He is just a nice guy who doesnt have the disciplinarian in him to sort this club out and players have taken advantage.
I dont think he will be here next season
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| Quote ="bonaire"The problem is if we can see it then why doesnt the coach react.
Thats my big problem with Hodgson.It was evident to me months ago that he was too loyal to certain underperforming senior players.
He is just a nice guy who doesnt have the disciplinarian in him to sort this club out and players have taken advantage.
I dont think he will be here next season'"
You forgot to mention 'J Griffin' ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="bonaire"The problem is if we can see it then why doesnt the coach react.
Thats my big problem with Hodgson.It was evident to me months ago that he was too loyal to certain underperforming senior players.
He is just a nice guy who doesnt have the disciplinarian in him to sort this club out and players have taken advantage.
I dont think he will be here next season'"
Hodgson will definitely be here next season. Whilst I agree that certain players should be dropped, who could he possibly bring in? Satae out for who knows how long, Soa out for 3 weeks, hardly anyone to cover the loss of those 2, let alone the ones you want dropping. Said it before, supporting FC is a clusterfook.
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| With our injury woes, it would be daft to drop any fit senior players. Like it or not, he can’t drop the players mentioned for kids to play their debuts at this moment. Different story if most of the squad are fit.
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| So Johnstone gone end of season. Hodgson slowly but surely building for the future.
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| No disrespect but that's his level. I'm sure he'll do a decent job at Widnes, but whoever gave him a 3 year deal at Hull needs a slap
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| Still think it will be another year before we clear the decks
Cas have given Griffin (prop) a three year deal , and he’s 30.
Sort of deals we used to give out.
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| I agree he deserves his third season IMO seen some good signs with youth and he’s gradually getting rid of the players that are underperforming or injury hit Shaul, Bowden, Grub, Ma’u(I believe although he’s been good missed too many games this season), JJ plus can see Griffin going soon.
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| Quote ="Ellam"I agree he deserves his third season IMO seen some good signs with youth and he’s gradually getting rid of the players that are underperforming or injury hit Shaul, Bowden, Grub, Ma’u(I believe although he’s been good missed too many games this season), JJ plus can see Griffin going soon.'"
Just a gut feeling on Griffin?
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| Quote ="mwindass"Just a gut feeling on Griffin?'"
It's OK getting rid of these, but have to replace them.
Some can be replaced internally like Bowden and JJ, but others need more experienced replacements.
Reynolds and Gale have been replaced, think Walker or Smith will replace Shaul.
That leaves us needing to replace Mau and maybe Griffin and that's without potentially any non fed places.
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| There’s nothing left to say - next season will
not be any better - in fact likely worse as BHs run to being sacked can only mean it gets worse
I’m really beginning to feel AP doesn’t know how to manage Coaches,
or even recruit them
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"There’s nothing left to say - next season will
not be any better - in fact likely worse as BHs run to being sacked can only mean it gets worse
I’m really beginning to feel AP doesn’t know how to manage Coaches,
or even recruit them'"
Worryingly his record at City with coaches was mixed. Taylor and Brown undoubted successes but that was mixed in with sacking Little harshly and hiring Molby, Parkinson and Dowie. Impossible for any owner to get every hire right but theres more misses than successes.
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| Quote ="UllFC"Worryingly his record at City with coaches was mixed. Taylor and Brown undoubted successes but that was mixed in with sacking Little harshly and hiring Molby, Parkinson and Dowie. Impossible for any owner to get every hire right but theres more misses than successes.'"
It's his own money at FC which makes the decisions very different. Motivation is different. He has patience as the owner.
In soccer he was forced to make success happen and quick.
Name one coaching decision at FC he got right and PLEASE do not say Radford.
AP has been a terrible CEO but a very generous owner. I love him for his dedication to FC. The Haslams at Cleveland Browns are the same. Beautiful people but can't hire the Head Coach, or manage them.
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| Can't seem to get Hodgsons post match interview to work, but I;ve read on social media that he called out Wynne absolutely awful if he did and didn't name any other players, he is a 21 one year old kid, Ok he had a poor game, but not many didn't and a lot more senior players on a lot more money had just a bad a game, not fair to pick on one player
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