If you were, congratulations.



You said it would be 'unfair' to move him. [url=http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/unjust?q=unjustSee?[/url



But it quite obviously does. For a start, he's played enough at centre (most/all of his games for Hull FC) for it not to be considered 'out of position' for him. Secondly, it's not remotely 'unfair' to give him a shot at the first team in a position he's more than familiar with, even if it's not his preferred position. This is not anything like the same as moving a player who has played every competitive game this year in the same position. Not even close.

Whitings played most of his games for Hull FC at centre, he's also 'match fit' having played every game so far. Turner could be rusty, Whitings the better choice to move. Best to have a rusty player spelling the back row for 20 minutes than playing him for the full 80 out of position.

That's certainly a better argument than 'it would be just as unfair to play Turner there'. Though, as I said before, playing Turner at centre can hardly be said to be playing him 'out of position' when he's played every game for our club there. The other argument, of course, is that any player coming into the side will be 'rusty' if they haven't played a competitive game for a while. We can't just keep moving players around though, or we'll never have a settled side.

I can see the merits of moving Whiting to centre, without a doubt, but I think he's been messed about enough over recent seasons. If he's going to make a position his own (and back row looks a good bet, the way he's playing), he can't be moved about every time we have a problem somewhere else.

I'm with Rock God on this one, I'm not convinced a few months of training in the back row now makes centre as alien to him as you seem to be making out, especially as in his time here he has previously stated that centre was the position he wanted to make his own. He was also playing centre as recently as the Bradford game, so I doubt he wasn't training there at least some of the time in preseason also.

As for receiving abuse if he makes one mistake, possibly. But the thing is, he probably will, whereas Whiting is less likely to even though he would be being moved out of position at least as much. It's the frequency of his errors and the lack of rectification that is the problem, and that's why (speaking for myself at least) he receives criticism and IMO should not be retained unless he forces his way into the team and has a very impressive season.

Strang that people keep mentioning Turners 'mistakes' yet he missed less tackles than Whiting per game last year and also made less than half the errors Rich made. While scoring double the amount of tries and the same assists. Strange.

Smales just tweeted:


Now at #hullfc training, Peter Gentle confirms Kirk Yeaman carrying a foot injury, hasn't trained much, but will play at St Helens

Turner's try scoring record in the second half of last season was excellent. He deserves his chance at centre.
His defence and confidence under the new coaching regime could improve in the same way as Sharp's has.

Only strange if you don't watch the games and put them into context. Turner comes too far infield (let's say for example, against Castleford), Whiting gets drawn in with his centre as a result, the ball gets passed out wide (Youngquest), who has too much space and pace for Whiting, and goes in at the corner holding off Whiting's attempted recovery tackle on the line. Missed tackles: Turner 0, Whiting 1.

This kind of thing was far from an isolated incident. Also, how many times did players ghost through where Turner should have been without a hand laid on them? Yet he again doesn't rack up a missed tackle because he didn't even attempt one.

Also, Whiting playing on the wing has more potential to produce errors given the number of high kicks at both ends of the field he will contest, as well as the fact that he attempts to offload the ball more often.

EDIT: I've also just checked the stats you quote, and it's a whopping 0.05 tackles per game difference. With the state of our sliding defence last year I'd actually expect it to have been more for our right winger with the amount of times he was left isolated in all honesty.

Well spotted. I think Peter Gentle's influence could yet be the making of Turner.

They are both very average backs,so toss the coin.

In the same game both players mark up man to man, Youngquest stands Whiting up and gets round his outside. Whiting 1 Turner 1. That wasn't an isolated incident either.
Also, sliding as a defence doesn't start with the centre, if he gets drawn in its because his inside man has rung him in. The only time I blame a centre is when they come out the line, something Turner rarely does.

ATEOTD Whiting is performing very well in the back row, Turner wants to play back row also but is down the pecking order. Because of this he'll be played at Centre (where he obviously doesn't prefer) and even though I think he's a better centre than Whiting he'll get slated on here for any minor mistake he'll make.

It would be Whiting 2, Turner 0, I think you might be missing my point. Also, neither of us are claiming that Whiting is a winger. This is a bit of a sidetrack, as I don't see any point in comparing Turner as a centre to Whiting as a winger. The point I was trying to make was that Turner's mistakes aren't just about missed tackles, and that there are plenty of times he is at fault which don't result in a statistical mark against his name, hence the 'strange' statistics that don't show the full extent of his weaknesses.



I know it doesn't, I didn't say Turner was always the cause. I was saying that it was a contributing factor in why the winger would rack up missed tackles in our team last year. But while we're on about Turner's part in the sliding defence, he did find himself much closer to his inside teammate than his outside one too often IMO.



I think that's a very narrow criteria for a centre to be at fault. In fact I just plain think you're wrong.



Not too long ago Turner wanted to play centre, is this change simply because he's not fancied there now? I think he's a better attacking centre than Whiting but an overall inferior one (the same story as Craig Hall). I don't think either of them are quite as good as I'd like us to have though.

Whiting has earned his back row place this year. Turner hasn't regardless of whether he has had the chance or not. As such Whiting should retain that position. If you play well enough you should retain your jersey in the position in which you're playing well. If Whiting's back row performance slips Turner should be in contention for it. If Yeaman doesn't play for a few weeks Turner or a younger player goes in at centre. That then becomes their chance to perform. Last year is irrelevant.

If Yeaman is out then Turner will play centre, Whiting is already playing backrow so I doubt he would be moved now.

Turner started at centre against Rovers in pre-season.

This.

Simplez.

on Humberside Gentle said Yeamo is playing although there is a doubt with someone else but he wouldn't say who.

Tickle, but Aspinwall and Martyn also have knocks.

Turner straight in for Yeamo if he can't play. The real player we need in contention is Heremaia.

Yeamo is playing

Turner straight in for Yeamo [u[size=200if[/size[/u he can't play.

Gentle Said he [size=150is[/size playing.

No broken bone in his wrist, surgery was successful on his foot and will only miss a couple of weeks according to McRae on SL Full Time.

back in time for good friday?

Cracking news, hope Martin is fit this week.

Good news about Yeaman, great chance for Turner to stake him claim, big couple of weeks for him with his contract up at the end of the year, I still see lots of potential in turner and under a good coach,who knows.