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| Quote ="Kosh"Lets say that we throw our disciplinary procedure out of the window and sack Aspinwall for a first offence. He then sues for breach of contract. How is that going to improve our PR profile?'"
Maybe you can post full details of the club's disciplinary policy so we can all share your knowledge of it
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe you can post full details of the club's disciplinary policy so we can all share your knowledge of it'"
Well, considering what Raynor had done I'd say he would have had a case for unfair dismissal. Maybe as he's not yet been employed for 12 months or more they could have got rid, but it was a D&D nothing (relatively) serious.
Just think a lot of people want rid just because he wasn't a star signing and one people questioned.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Well, considering what Raynor had done I'd say he would have had a case for unfair dismissal. Maybe as he's not yet been employed for 12 months or more they could have got rid, but it was a D&D nothing (relatively) serious.
[uJust think a lot of people want rid just because he wasn't a star signing and one people questioned.[/u'"
This really isn't the case, from my point of view. Normally I'd be in the court of "first offence - give him another chance" but - because of the current extenuating circumstances (yes - I know not related to Aspinwall, and therefore he's a scapegoat (but in his case, I can't feel too guilty)) I really think we need to be setting our "New Owner's Disciplinary Stall" out before the RFL.
I think we're at an all time low with the RFL and, indeed, our dope case has dragged the sport down. Therefore we need serious brownie points, and if Aspinwall is the victim, than i'm sorry, but, frankly, in the few weeks he's been here, his loyalty card isn't very full.
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| Quote ="WormInHand"This really isn't the case, from my point of view. Normally I'd be in the court of "first offence - give him another chance" but - because of the current extenuating circumstances (yes - I know not related to Aspinwall, and therefore he's a scapegoat (but in his case, I can't feel too guilty)) I really think we need to be setting our "New Owner's Disciplinary Stall" out before the RFL.
I think we're at an all time low with the RFL and, indeed, our dope case has dragged the sport down. Therefore we need serious brownie points, and if Aspinwall is the victim, than i'm sorry, but, frankly, in the few weeks he's been here, his loyalty card isn't very full.'"
So you think the token gesture of making him a scapegoat will help? It won't, and he'd have a field day with us at a tribunal, how would that be good for us?
The current cloud over Hull FC will only shift with time, once common sense kicks in and people realise that the club got rid as soon as it came out, also that there's a completely new regime in charge it will become nothing but a bad memory of an old regime that ended bitterly.
Imo, the new regime would send out the wrong message getting rid for what is an isolated incident, and a nothing one at that. It just comes across as vindictive.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So you think the token gesture of making him a scapegoat will help? It won't, and he'd have a field day with us at a tribunal, how would that be good for us?
The current cloud over Hull FC will only shift with time, once common sense kicks in and people realise that the club got rid as soon as it came out, also that there's a completely new regime in charge it will become nothing but a bad memory of an old regime that ended bitterly.
Imo, the new regime would send out the wrong message getting rid for what is an isolated incident, and a nothing one at that. It just comes across as vindictive.'"
What he said.
Knee-jerk reactions almost invariably come back to bite you in the backside. The thing to do is ride this out by calmly pointing out that everyone involved with previous misdeeds has left the club and that the new regime will be doing a far better job going forward.
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| I had to laugh at this comment from the magistrate:
Quote Magistrate Roger Ayre said it was a credit to Aspinwall that he was already attempting to make some "reconciliation", but this didn't excuse his actions.
He told him: "As a public figure, you have a responsibility to set an example, especially when the youngsters of this city are concerned.
"I'm sure they wouldn't want to read things like this about their hero."
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What youngsters in Hull hero-worship Aspinwall?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Maybe you can post full details of the club's disciplinary policy so we can all share your knowledge of it'"
Unless it's been changed radically - which is possible of course - then dismissal for a first offence isn't part of it. Neither is being convicted of a crime an instant dismissal. You are right that none of us know the details, or for that matter any special clauses that might be in individual contracts, but based on prior events Aspinwall would not normally be facing the axe.
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| Well, that's that then. Was been a daft lad in the off season, did a joke that went too far and paid his fine for doing so. We are due a new scapegoat on here though, so I wouldn't expect any less.
The club needed to earn respect before this incident, we have been a joke for the past few years on and off the field. The only way to do that is to keep squeaky clean and perform on the pitch, the latter of which I'm very excited to see.
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| Quote ="Standee"leopards and spots I am afraid'"
Could be poacher turned gamekeeper
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| Quote ="Marshland"Could be poacher
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given the form he has for been a bad egg, I doubt it.
Not a player we should have gone anywhere near, in my opinion.
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| Quote ="Standee"given the form he has for been a bad egg, I doubt it.
Not a player we should have gone anywhere near, in my opinion.'"
Why not? I've had 3 spells in jail for violence but been clean as a whistle for the last 25 years.
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| Quote ="Marshland"Why not? I've had 3 spells in jail for violence but been clean as a whistle for the last 25 years.'"
Can you play scrumhalf ??
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Can you play scrumhalf ??'"
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Can you play scrumhalf ??'"
Sat here supping champers and eating cheese on toast in Melbourne just before midnight and you have made me laugh VERY loud with that line
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| Quote ="Standee"leopards and spots I am afraid'"
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Absolutely. Plenty of aspinwall threads to bring up when he transgresses again'"
Don't get trigger happy.
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| Quote ="Tarquin Fuego"Sat here supping champers and eating cheese on toast in Melbourne just before midnight and you have made me laugh VERY loud with that line'"
Great place to spend NY. I'm staying in the Crown Towers, how about you?
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| "SHAUN McRae says Hull FC players have been given a 'timely reminder' to keep their behaviour in order following Martin Aspinwall's suspension."
Wow! Hopefully Aspinwall can keep up this behavior and give our squad 'timely reminders' throughout the season. It's impressive that Aspinwall is prepared act up in this manner, purely to keep the rest of the squad on the straight and narrow. I never realized this was such a positive! Surely this altruism should put him in the frame to become captain?
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| Quote ="Raggytash""SHAUN McRae says Hull FC players have been given a 'timely reminder' to keep their behaviour in order following Martin Aspinwall's suspension."
Wow! Hopefully Aspinwall can keep up this behavior and give our squad 'timely reminders' throughout the season. It's impressive that Aspinwall is prepared act up in this manner, purely to keep the rest of the squad on the straight and narrow. I never realized this was such a positive! Surely this altruism should put him in the frame to become captain?'"
No, no. I'm sure it's done the trick.
(Do you fancy starting a book?)
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| Quote ="Raggytash""SHAUN McRae says Hull FC players have been given a 'timely reminder' to keep their behaviour in order following Martin Aspinwall's suspension."
Wow! Hopefully Aspinwall can keep up this behavior and give our squad 'timely reminders' throughout the season. It's impressive that Aspinwall is prepared act up in this manner, purely to keep the rest of the squad on the straight and narrow. I never realized this was such a positive! Surely this altruism should put him in the frame to become captain?'"
That's not even a direct quote, what he said was: “Whilst it may only be a minor affair, it is a timely reminder to Martin and the rest of the squad that certain behaviour is not acceptable and will be dealt with accordingly.”
From the Hull FC Website.
Like how you took one sentence out of a statement, re-wrote it, then tried a funny afterwards. Maybe your new years resolution could be to try harder?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"That's not even a direct quote, what he said was: “Whilst it may only be a minor affair, it is a timely reminder to Martin and the rest of the squad that certain behaviour is not acceptable and will be dealt with accordingly.”
From the Hull FC Website.
Like how you took one sentence out of a statement, [size=150re-wrote it[/size, then tried a funny afterwards. Maybe your new years resolution could be to try harder?'"
I didn't rewrite anything, I copied and pasted, directly from the HDM arti cle. Maybe if you read the article properly you would have noticed this. The quote you have so gener ously posted is still directly applicable to the comments I made anyway, but thanks for your contribution. Maybe your New Years Resolution should be to stop trying so desperately hard to win the "Modabee of the Month" award. Than ks.
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| You should acknowledge if you cut an paste right?
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| Quote ="Raggytash"I didn't rewrite anything, I copied and pasted, directly from the HDM article. Maybe if you read the article properly you would have noticed this. The quote you have so generously posted is still directly applicable to the comments I made anyway, but thanks for your contribution. Maybe your New Years Resolution should be to stop trying so desperately hard to win the "Modabee of the Month" award. Thanks.'"
Like what you did with the bold type, genius, no really.
I do apologise though, it was the mail that had re-wrote it, their 'headline' puts it in a little different context, no? It's not difficult to make the mail look silly. They even quote the statement properly later in the article, did you get that far, or was you too eager to try and be funny?
Maybe you only have to try 99% harder.
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