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| Quote ="Ian P"Looking at some of the rule changes reminds me of American football, more officlals then players and games lasting hours due to long scrums.
Sky pay the sport and they will demand and get what they want first, if they want four matches at the last round they will get it.
Making the East stand fully reserved will only drive punters away, so we don't get a full stadium for the Derby, big deal. Many fans like and have always liked the ability to decide on the day if they are going to a match, down the pub or staying for overtime down at work. It does not make them less of a fan for that, thats what they prefer and why alter a system that works because some people like the idea of making the East an elitist stand for pass holders only.
I think we have only had one full derby match so far and filling the stadium maybe helps get a few people moist it does sod all for me. The last derby may as well been empty stand in both East and west as the atmosphere was like a graveyard, we should look at ways to improve that first. The whole matchday experience seems to have taken on a second class look, with loud music, a crappy announcer, all booming out from a PA system that is either too loud or too quiet and a large inflatable bouncy ball. Its boring, tired out and does little to keep the kids interested let alone any sober adults.
The drink ban should stay at the end of the season, events have proved that some people can not be trusted to act in a decent manner. We have got this far with very little trouble inside the KC why risk a heavy fine and an incident that will do us and the whole game huge damage. Its not as if FC benefit much from the sale of beer, pies and other goodies ( sic) , SMC get rich so you can see why they want it .
Basically lets not try and mend things that are not really broken and lets try and fix things we can, forget wish lists'"
I am certainly not advocating the stand being elitist as you put it Ian. It does not have to be simply for season ticket holders and certainly would not mean people could not pay on the day either. You simply buy your ticket on the gate and in you go. Seat waiting and no need to get there 2 hours early simply to bag a "good" seat or row of seats for your mates. But it does allow for a totally full stand for the big games.
Atmosphere comes when the team is doing well. You could have 60 odd thousand fans in a stadium, but if the fayre is p poor then the atmosphere will be to. The match day experience is totally dictated by the quality of the main attraction and for the past 4 years or so it has been poor. Hence a lack of atmosphere apart from the odd game. Sts home (2nd half) this season for example.
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| I would like to see the end of one thing the magic weekend and have it replaced with an international game, thats one thing for me is that we dont have enough international games.
And FWIW i would hate to see contested scrums come back its one of the main reasons i dont watch union because watching a scrum for 2minitues is just so boring, i think non contested scrums works well so if it aint broke dont fix it.
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| Quote ="boulevard clover"
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| On the subject of contested scrums: yes they got to the stage of farce but I was officiating at the time of contested scrums and shortly before their demise, we managed to get something like a clean scrum. This came about after we were instructed to clamp down on how and exactly when the scrum was formed. If hookers & scrum halves persistently offended, they were sin-binned.
It ook a little time for coaches and players to get the message but just as we got on top of the problem we were instructed to back off. I have no doubt that was as a result of pressure from Australia, who as has already been pointed out, were pretty dire in the scrummaging stakes.
The reason we have retained scrums is simply as a different method of recycling the ball after a stoppage. By taking 12 players out of the equation, you effectively force teams to find a different play. That wouldn't happen with tap re-starts
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| Quote ="boulevard clover"and what ever happened to the fanzines? they used to be pretty regular at the boulevard and at the KC they just sort of fizzled out. I want to read uncle festers letters again
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Just fizzled out but the 2 main ones who did it started using it as their own sound box...got away from taking the mick to them 2 spouting all their crap.
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| Quote ="the artist"viagra is more readily available nowadays - oh sorry are you still talking about the inflatables'"
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"Is that the 'In any kind of weather' thing???'"
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| Quote ="boulevard clover"thats the one'"
Yer, i liked that.... Was a good read!! Was only about £1 IIRC
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| Quote ="cod'ead"On the subject of contested scrums: yes they got to the stage of farce but I was officiating at the time of contested scrums and shortly before their demise, we managed to get something like a clean scrum. This came about after we were instructed to clamp down on how and exactly when the scrum was formed. If hookers & scrum halves persistently offended, they were sin-binned.
It ook a little time for coaches and players to get the message but just as we got on top of the problem we were instructed to back off. I have no doubt that was as a result of pressure from Australia, who as has already been pointed out, were pretty dire in the scrummaging stakes.
The reason we have retained scrums is simply as a different method of recycling the ball after a stoppage. By taking 12 players out of the equation, you effectively force teams to find a different play. That wouldn't happen with tap re-starts'" I find this very interesting and it sounds like something the RFL would do.
E.G a problem has been sorted but they then remove it anyway.
All I remember is that the scrums where a real ball ache at times.
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| The only thing I would change about scrums is that the players who form the scrum when they are trying to stop the clock have to stay in the scrum.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"The only thing I would change about scrums is that the players who form the scrum when they are trying to stop the clock have to stay in the scrum.'"
agree 100%, if you "form" the scrum then you bloody well FORM the subsequent scrum!
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| Quite right.
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| I loved scrummaging myself and in some respects think it is one of the aspects of the game that I miss. However given that one team has transgressed/made a mistake is it fair that the non offending team (as it were) still have to battle for possession of the ball?
Policing of the offside at scrums disappeared years ago and one of the reasons to keep the scrum is to tie up those numbers so there is more space for the backs to penetrate. The modern day scrum farce just doesn't allow that, the players barely pack down (because they dont have to push for one thing) the loose man is exactly that & never packs down properly..period. And before the ball even reaches the LF the defense is already level with the scrum anyway so direct attacks are snuffed out with relative ease on the first tackle. Okay so it brings into play the chip over the top or longer kick but how often do we see that?
Train up the touch judges so they know what a forward pass is (& the offside rule whilst they're at it) TJ's should call forward passes that are just that, if we have 20 in a game then so what, Leeds & Saints will soon get the idea that the TJ will inform the ref & will stop pushing the envelope past its legal limit.
Two feet behind the line when the attacking team is within 10m of the try line should mean two feet behind the line. Just a joke of a rule as it is never policed.
Shoulder barging, get rid. No skill in it, dangerous, uncontrolled, doesn't always stop the attacking player from continuing forward progression or offloading anyway. Just tackle the man properly FFS.
Clamp down on use of neck area to bring players down in the tackle.
More 8 pointers, how many times have players been fouled after a try has been scored with knees to the head/body or late challanges etc and the ref does naff all. 2 extra points under the sticks every time & it would cut down the needless afters.
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| I would like to see the CC brought forward to May, now that magic weekend is in Feb.
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| Quote ="The Hollywood Frasier"The only thing I would change about scrums is that the players who form the scrum when they are trying to stop the clock have to stay in the scrum.'"
i'm sure they have to in the NRL? Id like 2 refs like they have it seems to work well imo.
Not fussed about scrums, contested ones like union are worse than our attempts. At leats ours tie up the forwards and can reward inventive set plays a la Horne kick to Tony play-offs v Bradford.
Linesmen to do more than mark kicks and flag kicks at goal. They need to be on the ball for forward passes and off-sides its almost as if they daren't flag most of the time.
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| Quote ="Isaiah"I would like to see the CC brought forward to May, now that magic weekend is in Feb.'"
I'd like to see the law change on hotels taking the p1ss when there are major events in the area....
I've just looked at an hotel in Cardiff that was;
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Thursday 10th - £65
Friday 11th - £185
Saturday 12th - £205
Sunday 13th - £105
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Now that is down right out of order and should be illegal!!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I'd like to see the law change on hotels taking the p1ss when there are major events in the area....
I've just looked at an hotel in Cardiff that was;
February.
Thursday 10th - £65
Friday 11th - £185
Saturday 12th - £205
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Monday 14th - £65
Now that is down right out of order and should be illegal!!!'"
Why should it, you pay a premium for flowers at Valentines Day, you pay a fortune for Turkey at Christmas, it's all supply and demand.
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| Quote ="Standee"Why should it, you pay a premium for flowers at Valentines Day, you pay a fortune for Turkey at Christmas, it's all supply and demand.'" Exactly in the same way that seaside guest houses charge about 3X the fee per night during the summer.
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| Quote ="Standee"Why should it, you pay a premium for flowers at Valentines Day, you pay a fortune for Turkey at Christmas, it's all supply and demand.'"
I chuffing well don't.... we've been together a while now i'll have you know!!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I chuffing well don't.... we've been together a while now i'll have you know!!!
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So, you dont pay a different price when supply outsrips demand?
Do you not use Petrol then?!?!?
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| Serioulsy though,
i understand that prices rise with demand even double them but more than triple is pure greed!! I know why they do it but it's just plain wrong!!
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| Quote ="Standee"So, you dont pay a different price when supply outsrips demand?
Do you not use Petrol then?!?!?'"
I do....... but i whinge about it. I don't like it, but i have to lump it.. simples!!
I was merely commenting on 'Changes away from the team', this is one i'd like to see!!
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| Quote ="FC Wembley 08"I do....... but i whinge about it. I don't like it, but i have to lump it.. simples!!
I was merely commenting on 'Changes away from the team', this is one i'd like to see!!
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so, you'd like to see business fail because they can't charge a premium for their services, sounds fair enough.
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| Quote ="Standee"so, you'd like to see business fail because they can't charge a premium for their services, sounds fair enough.'"
Businesses which push the boundaries of your point..... yes!!
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| Weekends are normally more expensive anyway, you are paying a premium then anyway.
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