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| Quote ="Amadeo Avogadro"Calderwood has been excellent for us since the moment he signed. Throughout the crap we endured last year he was one of the few who looked consistently interested. Added to that, he is one of the fastest wingers in SL.
I cannot, for the life of me, see a reason why any Hull fan would want to get rid of him. It baffles me.'"
you have to be crackers if you think he is as good as you work out, look at the ruturn balls he runs in, he drops before the defence get to him, he can be really bad under the high ball he is absolutely sh$te id spend the money some where else
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Calderwood aint a patch on Ryan Hall and I think you guys should let him go at the end of his contract if these young lads coming through are as good as some say on here.'"
Thanks for your comments. But given that you reckon Berrigan has played over 95% of his games for Hull at hooker and is "very average", I think we can discount your opinions of FC players. No offence.
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| Quote ="HullKid22"you have to be crackers if you think he is as good as you work out, look at the ruturn balls he runs in, he drops before the defence get to him, he can be really bad under the high ball he is absolutely sh$te id spend the money some where else'"
You are obviously as good a student of the game as you are the English language.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Well apart from possibly the kick chase, Hall in every other department for me.'"
Care to name these other departments so your argument is more evidentially sound ??
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| I can't see why so many people are so keen to get rid of him. He's a quality English winger with bags of big game experience and he's still only 28!!
For me Calderwood was our player of the year last season (albeit not many to pick from), he tackles everything, gives 110% and always looks committed and enthusiastic. He hasn't had a great deal of service which probably explains his lack of tries but with Longy providing some kicks to run onto and a few ball handlers chucking long passes out wide that could all be about to change. Definatley worth a new deal in my mind.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Well apart from possibly the kick chase, Hall in every other department for me.'"
Have to agree, both decent defence and equally as quick.
Hall is better with the high ball, is alot sronger, he makes good yards and make breaks something Calderwood rarley does. The main reason I would consider (if we have a replacement lined up) let him go.
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| Quote ="Hull of a guy"I can't see why so many people are so keen to get rid of him. He's a quality English winger with bags of big game experience and he's still only 28!!
For me Calderwood was our player of the year last season (albeit not many to pick from), he tackles everything, gives 110% and always looks committed and enthusiastic. He hasn't had a great deal of service which probably explains his lack of tries but with Longy providing some kicks to run onto and a few ball handlers chucking long passes out wide that could all be about to change. Definatley worth a new deal in my mind.'"
So did G Horne, Ok winger, basically he got fans player of the year as he was enthusiactic and tried hard, while others didnt.
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Been mentioned that we are looking at Aaron Murphy from Wakey tho hasnt it ?'"
Seems pointless with the players with having coming through.
A prop to replace Cusack should be what we are looking at, either LMS, Watts or Scruton.
Watts would be the one I would make a move for.
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I bet Smailes has been reading this board again.
Cant argue with what he has to say though.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Thanks for your comments. But given that you reckon Berrigan has played over 95% of his games for Hull at hooker and is "very average", I think we can discount your opinions of FC players. No offence.'"
With your stat collection surely you can provide something to show why my comments about Berrigan were wrong? Plus I said Berrigan has been 'very average' over here in SL, not a mention of his time in the NRL.
But back on topic, give on of the young lads a chance for a wing position next year, it sounds like 3 lads can do the job. Make them aware of the situation and imagine the battle for that one position between them.
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| The idea of giving next year's first choice wing spot to one of three young players who haven't yet started a single SL game between them, whilst proposing to get rid of our experienced, former international winger is just plain silly.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Seems pointless with the players with having coming through.
A prop to replace Cusack should be what we are looking at, either LMS, Watts or Scruton.
Watts would be the one I would make a move for.'"
Can't see us getting Watts at all.
Although the other two you mentioned may be worth a shot, both have played for us before and what about Luke Burgess? I really like the look of him.
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| We'll only really be able to judge properly if/when Lynne and/or Tuffour get a chance in the 1st team and how they do. ATM, I'd say if he'll accept a 1 year deal, do it. If not, depends on what else we can bring in and the impact it would have on that.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Seems pointless with the players with having coming through.
A prop to replace Cusack should be what we are looking at, either LMS, Watts or Scruton.
Watts would be the one I would make a move for.'"
I'm sure he's out of contract at the end of this season . A more than capable replacement for Cussack imo.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"With your stat collection surely you can provide something to show why my comments about Berrigan were wrong? Plus I said Berrigan has been 'very average' over here in SL, not a mention of his time in the NRL.
But back on topic, give on of the young lads a chance for a wing position next year, it sounds like 3 lads can do the job. Make them aware of the situation and imagine the battle for that one position between them.'"
I replied to this rather stupid comment of yours that Berrigan has played hooker in over 95% of his games for FC when you made the point originally. Berro has played 49 SL games for Hull, so for your comment to be true he would have played only 2 games not at hooker. Considering he was cover at SH for Dykes in 2008 (who missed 15 or so games through injury), played SH a bit when Thorman was dropped in 2009 and has played at centre and in the back row, your statement is bollox. No offence.
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| I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
He has certainly played more than 2 matches away from Hooker. Tommy Lee and Houghton were sharing it for long spells while Dykes was missing. In fact Berrigans first ever game for the club was at Centre so thats another one. I'd say its closer to 70% of his time at Hooker.
As for his level of performance and the size of his contract (what is the size by the way?) I'd say his first season here he was playing at an acceptable standard whilst being moved about a fair bit. He wasn't so good last year but then the whole team was poor last year and this year we are finally seeing what he is capable of because we have a pack that can lay the platform for him.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"He has certainly played more than 2 matches away from Hooker. Tommy Lee and Houghton were sharing it for long spells while Dykes was missing. In fact Berrigans first ever game for the club was at Centre so thats another one. I'd say its closer to 70% of his time at Hooker.
As for his level of performance and the size of his contract (=#FF0000what is the size by the way?) I'd say his first season here he was playing at an acceptable standard whilst being moved about a fair bit. He wasn't so good last year but then the whole team was poor last year and this year we are finally seeing what he is capable of because we have a pack that can lay the platform for him.'"
£260k a year
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"£260k a year
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So about the same as Dobson then?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"So about the same as Dobson then?
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Yep, but one has earned his money
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Yep, but one has earned his money
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Berrigan has earned his money. He was doing the best with what he had to work with and helped the club to a major final.
Whereas Dobson and Rovers have....well......errrrr
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| Quote ="Robbo4"Berrigan has earned his money. He was doing the best with what he had to work with and helped the club to a major final.'"
Nobody remembers the runner up
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Nobody remembers the runner up
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Our Accountants do including Mrs B
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Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
www.sporthull.co.uk/hullfc/squad ... ticle.html
"With injuries decimating Hull's start to the 2008 season berrigan played almost everywhere but hooker, filling in at centre, stand-off, scrum-half, second-row and loose-forward.
Despite being switched around the team, the Aussie was still Hull's stand-out player. But it was his performances at hooker which really caught the eye and saw him sweep the end of season awards. Has been one of the the clubs best performers for the past two seasons."
Answers both points, I think. He's played a lot of games not in the hooking role, and he was player of the year in 2008 when we made a major final. Do try harder.
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Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"I remember him at scrum half but not for 15 or so games that Dykes was missing for, you not got a match program or two that will show this? If not, someone must have.
Maybe me saying 95% of the time at hooker might just be a little out but probably not by much, I hope your not counting these very few times he may have covered in the back row for a few moments during a game.
As you can maybe see, unlike you, my stong point aint math.
So has he performed to the standard since his arrival that has deemed him worthy of such a large contract?'"
www.sporthull.co.uk/hullfc/squad ... ticle.html
"With injuries decimating Hull's start to the 2008 season berrigan played almost everywhere but hooker, filling in at centre, stand-off, scrum-half, second-row and loose-forward.
Despite being switched around the team, the Aussie was still Hull's stand-out player. But it was his performances at hooker which really caught the eye and saw him sweep the end of season awards. Has been one of the the clubs best performers for the past two seasons."
Answers both points, I think. He's played a lot of games not in the hooking role, and he was player of the year in 2008 when we made a major final. Do try harder.
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