To be fair i would take Mr Blobby over Agar.

zZzZz yawn yawn yawn lets blame the coach coz the players were poor...simple as.

And who coaches them?? This has been going on since he took charge......

I don't understand what people would have done differently today other than play Moa. Turner has been very average in the halves the last 2 weeks and Washy rightly started at HB. We lost because our forwards lost the battle, let Leeds play the ball quickly and didn't wrap up players. Is it the coaches fault our forwards can't wrap a player up? Do you expect a coach at this level to have to teach players how to do that? Is it the coaches fault we give away unforced errors and very stupid penalties?

Don't feel too bad.

Leeds have become very good at winning the big games in recent seasons and although this was CC and not playoffs, they've made no secret of their desire to improve their CC record.

Leeds have more class throughout their team and are a much more settled unit than hull, if leeds turned up there was always only ever going to be one winner.

Did the players pick a halfback pairing that has failed to produce each and every time they have played??

Did the players drop one of the best layers from the previous week???

If they did then fair enough blame the players.

No, they dropped the ball, fell off tackles and didn't wrap up players which is far more important to the game.

You're too kind! If Leeds Utd had turnd up today, we'd have still lost!

The board have to take some of the blame for making the decision to give this idiot a contract in the first place. Yes , Agar out has now become a catch phrase on this board . But I feel it's one that will be posted more often than not this season.

Look at the difference MM has made at wigan, with the same squad that noble had.

Hull should get someone from the nrl, a decent up and coming coach.

what amazes me is the apathy in the stands though, in football the 'manager out' 'sack the board' chants are straight out.

at HullFC a few people sneak out early, a few still clap them off regardless of what game they've just watched...and then a few have a moan on here. The majority just seem happy to accept the cheaply run mediocrity the club seem to want.

If you're thinking only terms of team selection, then maybe you're right.

I'm led to believe though, that there's a little bit more to coaching than that. The personnel on show are capable of better than that. We know this for a fact as we've seen it. Now, I'm not saying the team have to be at their best every week, that's not possible no matter who you are. We should be seeing better than we did today though, and it's the coach's job to make that happen.

To me the whole 'the coach can't be blamed for the players' performances' crock is like saying parents aren't at all responsible for raising horrible kids. Nonsense.

Do you think the coach at this level should teach players how to wrap up a player or how to play the ball? We lost because our forwards couldn't handle Leeds' and let them run riot .

Just like last week, so that is a coaches job to put right, and yet again he failed!!!

Can't agree more.

What can he do? Tell them to wrap the guy up? He can tell them to he's blue in the face but if the players don't do it then they don't do it.

If he can't improve players he shoudn't be a coach.

What players have improved under Agar's coaching?

But a coach is paid to COACH players!!!!! If he cannot egt them doing the job we all know they are capable of then he is doing something wrong and needs replacing.

Agar is out of his depth totally....after the Wigan match he said "its a waste of time to wrestle on the floor for a quick play the ball as refs arent botherd"... me leeds get a QPTB and buderus runs at Tickle and gets a pen.

Agar is a totally inept.....ffs...we have massive support..the infrastructure is there and we appoint a total kn0b in charge...welcome to medirocrity.

Good point , All of a sudden our forwards have been out played by a "smaller pack" ...Why.

Said exactly the same thing today. We have everything that a club needs to be sucessful yet we scrimp and scrape when it comes to the coach.

If it's always the players' faults then by that logic a poor coach can never be sacked. Obviously, the players were awful today but ultimately the coach has to take responsibility for their (lack of) preparation/execution of gameplan. It goes with the territory I'm afraid and when it doesn't come off, fingers will naturally point at the coach.

As I've said countless times on here before, in the past few seasons our players have been making mistakes that they didn't either at previous clubs or under previous coaches. They've also shown in some games this season that they are capable of eradicating them. The question therefore comes back to why they aren't doing it every week. I can't help but feel that the lack of consequences for poor performances is a huge factor in that, unless you happen to be under 23 and not from the Featherstone area.

So no, I don't think a coach at this level should have to teach players to do those basics, but he should be making damn sure he demands it from players who are evidently capable of it and dealing with them when they don't. Agar simply does not do this.

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so its all injuries and the ref's fault again then, funny how its that every year then