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| Quote ="Bighead"no its because hull have a team full of people who can cover centre (ie halls position) and second row yet little cover in most other posiitons'"
Name them for next week. You only have 2/3 max for centres next week never mind covering for Hall.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Different positions.
Its all about man management. He can run like the wind we agree on. He just needs a hand on shoulder to point him in the right direction .'" if he still needs to know in what direction to go after 3 years then he will never learn.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Name them for next week. You only have 2/3 max for centres next week never mind covering for Hall.'"
Yeaman
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Plus we would have had Briscoe & Byrne had their seasons not been ended prematurely.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Centre or wing? Gwilym thinks he is a winger.'"
I agree with him.
Hall is the type of player that would be best starting on the Wing and possibly maturing into the Centre position later on. I'm sure im right in thinking that this is the route Matt King took.
His try scoring record in the first team alone tells anyone with half a brain that this kid has something special to offer. A good coach would work with a player and aim to get the best out of him.
As others have mentioned the biggest kick in the teeth is that fact that we are short in squad members yet we loan him out and take a part time player from Leeds then dare to comment on his confidence in the media. Even with his negative points he was nowhere near the worst performing player in the first team.
Seems to me that his face doesn't fit and it's worrying how talent like this can get treated so wrong given our current attacking form.
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I agree with him.
Hall is the type of player that would be best starting on the Wing and possibly maturing into the Centre position later on. I'm sure im right in thinking that this is the route Matt King took.
His try scoring record in the first team alone tells anyone with half a brain that this kid has something special to offer. A good coach would work with a player and aim to get the best out of him.
As others have mentioned the biggest kick in the teeth is that fact that we are short in squad members yet we loan him out and take a part time player from Leeds then dare to comment on his confidence in the media. Even with his negative points he was nowhere near the worst performing player in the first team.
Seems to me that his face doesn't fit and it's worrying how talent like this can get treated so wrong given our current attacking form.'"
Good post with too many home truths. Craig Hall has enough class to warrant a place in the current squad Imo.
Agar should be coaching his 'deficiencies' out of him not loaning him to another inferior club.
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I agree with him.
Hall is the type of player that would be best starting on the Wing and possibly maturing into the Centre position later on. I'm sure im right in thinking that this is the route Matt King took.
His try scoring record in the first team alone tells anyone with half a brain that this kid has something special to offer. A good coach would work with a player and aim to get the best out of him.
As others have mentioned the biggest kick in the teeth is that fact that we are short in squad members yet we loan him out and take a part time player from Leeds then dare to comment on his confidence in the media. Even with his negative points he was nowhere near the worst performing player in the first team.
Seems to me that his face doesn't fit and it's worrying how talent like this can get treated so wrong given our current attacking form.'"
Hall's confidence was at a very low ebb and we had Broughton in the squad after the injuries to Byrne and Briscoe. At the point he went on loan we had Tony, Raynor and Whiting coming back, Calderwood (our best player) and Yeaman fit and Broughton as cover. Better to let him play in the reserves or send him on loan for more first team exposure? I'd go with the latter and still think this was the right decision. Don't know how he's going at Widnes, goal-kicking apart, but if, as Gekko claims, he would be a first choice starting 3/4 in all SL teams apart from Leeds and Saints, he should be ripping it up at NL1 level (and I hope he is).
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Garbage. Hall has played 42 SL games for Hull. He's had some nightmares this season, and last year also for that matter. That's hardly "dropping him at the first opportunity".
In terms of the other underperforming players, I take it you are referring to Thorman. We have no other scrum halves in the squad. We've tried Berro there but he is playing with injections and Agar prefers to rotate him from the bench. The other alternative is to move Horne to 7 and play Washbrook at 6, but he's out for weeks with injury. From a club that has given one game in total to Watts, Spaven and Esders this year your criticism of our unwillingness to field Hall is a tad hypocritical.
'" i think that's the whole point, Thorman plays crap week in, week out and isnt a scum half. IMO, Danny Houghton would make a good S/H and i don't know what we've got to lose by trying him there. With regard to Craig Hall, with a top coach i think he'll be a top player. Unfortunately, he hasn't had the benefit of that. I can't understand Agar with Hall, when we needed a F/B, he was the first player Agar turned to even though there were more obvious candidates, it didn't work out and he's shipped him out.
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| Quote ="Mrs Barista"Hall's confidence was at a very low ebb and we had Broughton in the squad after the injuries to Byrne and Briscoe. At the point he went on loan we had Tony, Raynor and Whiting coming back, Calderwood (our best player) and Yeaman fit and Broughton as cover. Better to let him play in the reserves or send him on loan for more first team exposure? I'd go with the latter and still think this was the right decision. Don't know how he's going at Widnes, goal-kicking apart, but if, as Gekko claims, he would be a first choice starting 3/4 in all SL teams apart from Leeds and Saints, he should be ripping it up at NL1 level (and I hope he is).'"
I think too much has been made of Halls confidence. From what im told there's nothing wrong with his confidence at Widnes so either something at Hull was knocking his confidence or its an excuse.
It doesn't matter what the situation is or was with Broughton the simple fact is Broughton is part-time and on loan and in the first team squad and Hall is still on loan and that to me isn't right.
I worry that his face doesn't fit. In the time i've supported Hull FC there has been two players we've released that still to this day annoys me thinking about them, Tevita Vaikona and Briscoe. I hope Hall doesn't add to that.
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| Quote ="KNOCK OFF NIGEL"I think too much has been made of Halls confidence. From what im told there's nothing wrong with his confidence at Widnes so either something at Hull was knocking his confidence or its an excuse.
It doesn't matter what the situation is or was with Broughton the simple fact is Broughton is part-time and on loan and in the first team squad and Hall is still on loan and that to me isn't right.
I worry that his face doesn't fit. In the time i've supported Hull FC there has been two players we've released that still to this day annoys me thinking about them, Tevita Vaikona and Briscoe. I hope Hall doesn't add to that.'"
Releasing Marcus Bai wasnt the smartest move either. I remember been told that he was a poor man's Leroy McKenzie..deary me!
Some you win some you lose.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"Releasing Marcus Bai wasnt the smartest move either. I remember been told that he was a poor man's Leroy McKenzie..deary me!
Some you win some you lose.'"
Thought that one worked out quite well in the end
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Thought that one worked out quite well in the end'"
It was an excellent pass to Whiting for sure but I would have loved to see him develop in the black and white.
Although he was very raw at the time he was an absolute flyer. Us Hull fans are not used to that kind of blistering pace!
Think Shane Foster got his jersey the year after he left.
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| Quote ="knocker norton"It was an excellent pass to Whiting for sure but I would have loved to see him develop in the black and white.
Although he was very raw at the time he was an absolute flyer. Us Hull fans are not used to that kind of blistering pace!
Think Shane Foster got his jersey the year after he left.'"
Don't think he could speak english when he came over
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think he could speak english when he came over'"
Not sure some of the current squad do looking at the way we are playing!
I remember Bai scoring a long range try against the leaders at the time Salford at the Boulevard. He had all the attributes to be a top winger but Siggy saw different.
Tevita toom him under his wing at Hull and helped him develop. In hindsight what a cracking wing pairing that would have been.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think he could speak english when he came over'"
Yes he could - very well in fact.
It was something else entirely that the Australian coach of Hull FC at the time did not like about Marcus Bai
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| Quote ="Stew Pidd"Yes he could - very well in fact.
It was something else entirely that the Australian coach of Hull FC at the time did not like about Marcus Bai'"
Could he? Could barely speak it about 10 years later despite spending the whole period inbetween in English speaking countries
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| Quote ="Bighead"no its because hull have a team full of people who can cover centre (ie halls position) and second row yet little cover in most other posiitons'"
no its because Hall was apparently out of favour, if nor why arent any of the other so called under performing players being sent out.
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| Quote ="Fc Til I Die 316"we should never have loaned him out...word is he has agreed terms for drovers from 2010'"
As long as they pay us ... he's contracted til 2011
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| Can we keep him for another month please? or until the end of the season?
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| Quote ="-VIKINGMAN-"Can we keep him for another month please? or until the end of the season?
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Hows he going???
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| Quote ="The Brother"Hows he going???'"
Getting better with each game mate, his goal kicking is very good and he kicked a real pressured drop goal today well. His balance and footwork is very good but his defence could do with a little work but he's only a kid and will get better.
Clearly has talent and will go far in the game.
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| Quote ="The Brother"very poor man management imo, was dropped to rebuild confidence shame the same doesn't happen to thorman
feel as if Craig has been let down by the coach tbh
Anthony Thackery hatrick as well'"
couldnt agree more matey
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| An inept coach making a young, talented player a scapegoat for his own failings just about sums agar up for me
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| Quote ="The Brother"And just remind what you've won
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Pretty much the same as Hull had after 2 1/2 seasons of SL
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