it was the north stand behind the goal that was empty, designated for home fans!

villa are still a big name club with a big fanbase and following!

A company that makes no profit at all

The SMC accounts for 2010 (signed off by the Allams BTW) showed a gross profit of £0.4m on Hull FC activities -we paid £0.6m and cost of sales was reported as £0.2m. In 2014 we paid £0.5m to the SMC and [udirect[/u costs were now £1.2m. A sixfold increase in direct costs. OK then. The implication on that basis is that for every spectator £4.10 is paid to the SMC but the DIRECT cost of each is £9.44. This is before overheads of £0.5m (a further £3.73 per spectator).

When you compare the two sets of accounts there are multiple income streams - sponsorship, catering, Premier Club, advertising, car parking, events, training ground declared in 2010. In 2014, there's less detail but assuming a similar pattern to 2010 it appears the vast majority of these income streams are shown as directly attributable to Hull City Tigers only. Right.

The accounts for City show stadium employee expenses as £2.2m. Which doesn't tie back directly to the P&L schedule in the SMC accounts for the same period.

There could be all sorts of explanations. Changes in accounting policies and intercompany charging mechanics between the multiple companies within Allamhouse for example, changed cost allocation methodology. The squash and polo things don't seem to be shown separately. But the question that is most pertinent I think is how the £1.7m the SMC reportedly incur to host 13 rugby games a year, given that we seem to run a fair bit of the ticketing operations ourselves, benchmarks against the likes of Wigan, Huddersfield etc. Might have a look at that one.

west ham 21000
Man City 22800
Southampton 22000
Swansea 21900
A Villa 21000

Take away the away supporters probably all less than 20000 home fans
Unless Hull city consolidate in the Premier League for four or five seasons pushing into the top half of the table there is little point in extending the KC capacity.

The most pathetic attendance for me was the FA cup 5th round against Brighton 10700 and sixth round ( 2 games from Wembley) against premier League Sunderland 21000

Huddersfield Giants pay Kirklees Stadium Development Limited a total of £300k pa for stadium use, annual rental, and an allocation of admin costs shared with Huddersfield Town and other users of the stadium.

The accounts are a crock of shiit made to make us look bad as you know. Braindead footie fans lap it up and it takes the pressure off allam over the name change

Just bit of perspective, as I was at the game. Firstly that was actually a replay with the first game being only 7 days earlier, on a Monday night and was available to watch on ITV.

I would also look at our home attendances in the cup compared to when we play them in the league, Salford last year being one example

As for Hull City's attendance in general, after the first season the novelty of playing the likes of Stoke, Villa, Sunderland wears away. Add that to the fact tickets to Man City cost £50, the team not looking as comfortable as last year its hard to entice the casual fan

Not a spat between Hull City and us, the original debate was about the comparative number of rugby fans in the city (joint Hull and Rovers) and Hull City fans, as the soccer fans often appear to cite their attendances compared to ours when attempting to argue about our relative 'worthlessness'.

BEN_THE_BLACK&WHITE posted this valid observation:



...and was pooh-poohed. Unjustly, some thought, hence the ensuing debate.

This is quite a timely discussion, as the Fookwit Fewings letters page in the HDMail this week (now hosted by some young lad cowed by his superiors, after an anonymous Ivory-Tower-dweller bizarrely saw fit to promote Fookwit to Sports Editor) devoted itself to this very argument.

The young lad was trying to justify the discrepancy in coverage between the 3 clubs (2 pages per match for Hull and Rovers) compared to the 6 given to City on match day; plus the deluge of extraneous articles that appear on other days) as acceptable given City's Premier League status and the relative number of fans of each club.

He'd obviously decided to ignore the actual numbers of RL fans who buy his paper which, as discussed here today, do at least match and more probably outweigh their soccer counterparts. He has also decided to ignore the more compelling argument that his new boss is a raving Allamophile, terrified of losing his status as chief ankle-dangler from the Egyptian rectum and the corresponding complementary position in the KC tunnel.

This season? Hull City vs Lokeren SNW was 18,149

It was a response to worm in hand saying that City dont always hit 20k in the premier league.

Huddersfield Giants own 10% of the stadium

I read that as well his only argument was that soccer is premier league and should justify higher page numbers than the rugby but even when they were in the bottom division it was still the same back then total crock o s###e

@MeehanMedia: #Hull City Council has written to @premierleague asking for £20m for 10,000-seat KC Stadium expansion, @hulldailymail reveals. #hcafc #UTT

The Premier League rejected the request. Hull City Council have said that they agree with the Allams that the stadium capacity needs to increase.

And so it begins. I've said all along he'll get it in the end

The premier league sign a deal with Sky which gives £10m per match and untold riches to the clubs, and he goes cap in hand to them for £20m. Is it any wonder they have rejected their approach.

Who on the council thinks that a further 10000 seats for an asset that is LOSING money (you can't argue with the SMC accounts

) and a further £20m loan will work to their benefit?

Didn't take long for the FC bashing to start on HDM website.

The old "rugby wrecks the pitch" argument being trotted out again too.

We've played 2 games at the KC since September, so let's just have a look at the pitch. Anyone got a photo from the start of the Rovers game (when we hadn't stepped on it for months)?

I believe we should turn a blind eye and give a deaf ear to the baiting from all at Hull City. We don`t need the stress and worry aimed at us from said club. Let them go on and on to no avail. We`re there for a minimum of another 15 years and hopefully as many Hull City chairmen. Lets just crack on.........

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looked good to me!

most footy fans wouldnt want to admit that its their own sport that wrecks the pitch! even the groundsmen at old trafford admitted this

The pitch for the Wigan v Broncos game at the DW Stadium looked terrible, and Wigan had played there just once this season.

tbh the pitch is not cut out too host 2 professional sports on it over a year with hardly a break

Should the 10,000-seat happen the work would happen in the rugby season and all East side moved across to upper west

what do u expect from puffball fans.braindead most of them.thats why they watch puffball.

I think the council are being quite crafty and know full well the Premier League would say no. Allam is keen to portray the council as blockers who won't develop or sell the stadium, by doing this they look like they are actively trying to improve itm while not getting accused of wasting taxpayers cash as the Premier League would fund it.