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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"What we pay is insignificant in premiership football terms. If he wanted us out, the amount we pay wouldn't make him think twice about it'"
Its not what you pay, its the added income to the village. RL would allow the village to be viable for more months of the year.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Simply Question for every FC Fan who might think that the sale of the stadium to the Allams is a good idea; 'Do you want your Hull FC to be the tenants of Hull City?
ANd if you still do What would happen then when there is a clash of dates with a City game for a play off match on Sky who do you think would get precident?'"
Hell No H2O!!
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Simply Question for every FC Fan who might think that the sale of the stadium to the Allams is a good idea; 'Do you want your Hull FC to be the tenants of Hull City?
ANd if you still do What would happen then when there is a clash of dates with a City game for a play off match on Sky who do you think would get precident?'"
We already are though Wilf. Every Chairman of the SMC I can remember has been Chairman of City at the time, running the Stadium, whether they own it or not.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"What we pay is insignificant in premiership football terms. If he wanted us out, the amount we pay wouldn't make him think twice about it'"
The only good thing about him is he is a businessman what makes him tick is making money. Sure we wouldn't be able to match the amount of money a premiership football team gets but we would be able to pay enough to keep him interested IMO.
The only way he would want rid of us is if City were packing out to the tune of 40,000 people every week and playing European football. I doubt neither of those would actually happen.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Simply Question for every FC Fan who might think that the sale of the stadium to the Allams is a good idea is 'Do you want your club to be the tenants of Hull City?'"
Apart from idiots (like me ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif) ) joking about, as long as you have firm assurances as to your continued rights, is it a big worry? Hull FC is a big political constituency - nobody wants to offend it (you bunch of smelly gormers ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif) )
If Allam is willing to pay [ua fair price[/u, and the council could do with cash for new capital projects, and all stakeholders (incl. Hull FC) are treated in a truly fair manner, then I think it is worth [uconsidering[/u. If not, then it isn't.
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| Quote ="barham red"Its not what you pay, its the added income to the village. RL would allow the village to be viable for more months of the year.'"
What added income would tehre be to this village? At best we get about 1000 away fans and pretty much all live within an hour or two of the KC. It's not as if rugby fans would be flocking to his hotel and other facilities in droves
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Apart from idiots (like me
) joking about, as long as you have firm assurances as to your continued rights, is it a big worry? Hull FC is a big political constituency - nobody wants to offend it (you bunch of smelly gormers
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If Allam is willing to pay [ua fair price[/u, and the council could do with cash for new capital projects, and all stakeholders (incl. Hull FC) are treated in a truly fair manner, then I think it is worth [uconsidering[/u. If not, then it isn't.'"
I'd personally have no problem if anyone bought the stadium and gave assurances that both City and FC would be treated fair, equal and guaranteed to have a home there for life.
Whats worrying for me is that not only does he want to buy it he wants to improve it with all these facilities which could work or could go belly up. If he buys the stadium starts redeveloping and say the likes of City get relegated or don't get promoted then he may lose interest and decide to pull out leaving both clubs in the .
If he can assure everybody that this won't happen then I would have no problem myself. They is also the fact what would happen if he decides he doesn't want City anymore and sells them, suddenly the cost to stay at the stadium would go up and we could end up with a boothferry park situation all again.
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| Quote ="goochie124"We already are though Wilf. Every Chairman of the SMC I can remember has been Chairman of City at the time, running the Stadium, whether they own it or not.'"
No we are not the SMC only manage the Stadium for the Council, there is an arbitration mechanism for disputes etc. with the Council with whom we first made the agreement, the deal states that the club will use the Stadium with the SMC manageing the day to day running of it and its tenants but the ownership of the Stadium and in effect the final word is with the Council. If sold then the SMC would dissapear and it would be the Football club and the Allams that set the terms of our usage and there would be no third party owner to intervene if they try to shaft us. Of course we have a tenasncy agreement which we would hope is water tight whoever owns the Stadium but at present we pay the SMC what we agreed we would pay them but that agreement was made with the Council, before the SMC was set up. Once in City's hands they will be able as owners to vary or change our tenacy agreement when the conditions of that agreement allow, and we would be able to do little about it because any means of appealing would dissapear with the Councils ownership. Its also interesting that at present the football club pay the SMC a hefty sum to use the Stadium no doubt when the Football club own the ground they will possibly be looking to off set some of that current expenditure on its other tenant. I know I would!
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"Apart from idiots (like me
) joking about, as long as you have firm assurances as to your continued rights, is it a big worry? Hull FC is a big political constituency - nobody wants to offend it (you bunch of smelly gormers
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If Allam is willing to pay [ua fair price[/u, and the council could do with cash for new capital projects, and all stakeholders (incl. Hull FC) are treated in a truly fair manner, then I think it is worth [uconsidering[/u. If not, then it isn't.'"
Even with the assurances you mention in place I still wouldn't want Allam to own the stadium. His plans for the 'sports village' have ' expensive white elephant' written all over them, and if it fails then our home is at risk.
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"No we are not the SMC only manage the Stadium for the Council, there is an arbitration mechanism for disputes etc. with the Council with whom we first made the agreement, the deal states that the club will use the Stadium with the SMC manageing the day to day running of it and its tenants but the ownership of the Stadium and in effect the final word is with the Council. If sold then the SMC would dissapear and it would be the Football club and the Allams that set the terms of our usage and there would be no third party owner to intervene if they try to shaft us. Of course we have a tenasncy agreement which we would hope is water tight whoever owns the Stadium but at present we pay the SMC what we agreed we would pay them but that agreement was made with the Council, before the SMC was set up. Once in City's hands they will be able as owners to vary or change our tenacy agreement when the conditions of that agreement allow, and we would be able to do little about it because any means of appealing would dissapear with the Councils ownership. Its also interesting that at present the football club pay the SMC a hefty sum to use the Stadium no doubt when the Football club own the ground they will possibly be looking to off set some of that current expenditure on its other tenant. I know I would!'"
The crux of the issue for me is that whilst the council own the stadium we will always have a degree of comfort that we can't be kicked out or unfairly treated. If it's in private hands the same does not apply. Even if allam is a totally trustworthy guy and does not wish us any ill, who is to say that whoever the next owner of city is will feel the same. Also, what if we fall on hard times and the crowds fall. Can't see a commercial landlord letting us play there for free as our current arrangement
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"The crux of the issue for me is that whilst the council own the stadium we will always have a degree of comfort that we can't be kicked out or unfairly treated. If it's in private hands the same does not apply. Even if allam is a totally trustworthy guy and does not wish us any ill, who is to say that whoever the next owner of city is will feel the same. Also, what if we fall on hard times and the crowds fall. Can't see a commercial landlord letting us play there for free as our current arrangement'"
As always you put in three lines what I fail to get across in a short story!
The question for all FC fans and those of a black and white inclination has to be Do you want City to be our landlords?
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"The question is, Do the various covenants and conditions placed upon the funding and planning consent for the KC all City to be our landlords?'"
This would have to go to Central Government eventually, maybe even a juducual review (dependant on who objects and how strongly)
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| Quote ="Standee"This would have to go to Central Government eventually, maybe even a juducual review (dependant on who objects and how strongly)'"
I didn't write that I can't spell covertnents! ![Smile icon_smile.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_smile.gif)
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| Quote ="thehullwhitestar"Rovers welcome a massive investment as the Allams "plough in" 1 million pounds to get the club back to old glories!....................................................................................................................................................................oh by the way, we have to actually find it and give him it back at some point him
GENIUS!!!!!! £5 Million debt here we come
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| Quote ="pmarrow"Rovers are in the poop big time, I've heard for a while now through various sources the players have not being paid some weeks. How true it is I have no idea but they is no smoke without fire and all that.'"
Damn how did you find out ?, it's true though we can't afford to pay our players , we haven't been paying them all season because we are on the verge of bankrupcy , what are we going to do ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="salthouse red" '"
I'm not sure how many times you need to be told this, but we don't need the money. We already spend full cap, we don't have stadium upkeep/expansion to finance, and we can afford transfer fees. Allam has confirmed that unlike Rovers we have not asked him for cash. So why would there be any sour grapes involved?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure how many times you need to be told this, but we don't need the money. We already spend full cap, we don't have stadium upkeep/expansion to finance, and we can afford transfer fees. Allam has confirmed that unlike Rovers we have not asked him for cash. So why would there be any sour grapes involved?'"
27 pages suggests there may be , and listening to sportstalk last night some FC fans almost in tears ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Quote ="salthouse red"27 pages suggests there may be , and listening to sportstalk last night some FC fans almost in tears
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Correct me if I am wrong but the whole point of this thread is about them buying the stadium and not Rovers investment ?
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| Quote ="salthouse red"27 pages suggests there may be , and listening to sportstalk last night some FC fans almost in tears
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you've gone from being annoyingly pathetic to pathetically annoying.
We'll see where both clubs are in 24 months time, won't we, the rate KR are going you'll all be pimping yourself to a local investor for an uncertain loan on uncertain terms.
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| Quote ="salthouse red"27 pages suggests there may be , and listening to sportstalk last night some FC fans almost in tears
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The 27 pages are about the implications of Allam's plans for FC, which includes some discussion on his 'investment' in Rovers due to his announced opinion on a merger between the two clubs. And unless you can somehow link thehullwhitestar to one of the callers last night you still have no point.
Try and stick to the topic, there's a good chap.
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| An indepth look at Ruscador allam in google might open a few doors for those with business minds.
It far to complicated for my simple union left wing bennist brain
As I keep stating this is deeper then a submarines lav
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| Just read some of the interview with allem in todays hdm, did i miss the sale of the kc? he comes across like he already owns it!
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| Quote ="Ian P"An indepth look at Ruscador allam in google might open a few doors for those with business minds.
It far to complicated for my simple union left wing bennist brain
As I keep stating this is deeper then a submarines lav'"
Ruscador didn't happen, everytime I mention it on the HDM threads my posts disappear.
a convenient retelling of history
I wonder what Allems immigration status is, is he non-fed? ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Kosh"I'm not sure how many times you need to be told this, but we don't need the money. We already spend full cap, we don't have stadium upkeep/expansion to finance, and we can afford transfer fees. Allam has confirmed that unlike Rovers we have not asked him for cash. So why would there be any sour grapes involved?'"
It is pointless..they are either really really stupid or they just will not accept they are now £4.5m in debt...Why on earth they think we would want £1m worth of debt really is beyond me.
On the balance of probability I have decided they are just stupid ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="Standee"Ruscador didn't happen, everytime I mention it on the HDM threads my posts disappear.
a convenient retelling of history
I wonder what Allems immigration status is, is he non-fed?
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Why is the HDM supressing stories I wonder
I am aware that there will be some pressure put on from the local Unions and the GMB are very angry
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