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| Moa didn't pull up any trees in his outings last year. He is relatively inexperienced when it comes to SL so i think Agar may well be right to go with an experienced pack. Meley and Fitz have seen it all in the NRL.
Calderwood is somewhat of a mystery and it must be down to injury or a disciplinary matter.
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| Quote ="hullbg"People moaning about Radford, Dowes and Cusack in the squad need to remember that our pack was not the big problem last year. '" Was for me.
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| Well thats it for me....burning season pass,not going Sat and wont be buying owt else again.....Moa out is no great shakes and tbh im not all that fussed on him......dont think him or Calderwood being out will make all that much difference...its going to be heavy going and utilising Radford,Dowes and Cusack could be for the best.
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| Quote ="hullbg"People moaning about Radford, Dowes and Cusack in the squad need to remember that our pack was not the big problem last year. Radford has the weght of the captaincy removed from his shoulders and in the Rovers friendly he looked like a new player to me.
We still have impact with Manu and Lauaki and if Meley is played from the bench he will also add to that.
Give the team and coach a chance before moaning about it. We all have our favourites in the team and we are dissapointed when they are not in.'"
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| Quote ="wolfie"couldnt of put it better myself,well said.
also does anybody actualy no why moa is not in?
Didnt think so.'"
I do......
Cos he wasnt picked !!
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| Quote ="hullbg"I think Whiting and Turner will get one side with Yeaman & Briscoe on the other. '" I would go for that looks more solid.
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| So Turner gets to sort out Big SOL !!!
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| Quote ="wolfie"couldnt of put it better myself,well said.
also does anybody actualy no why moa is not in?
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| Quote ="hullbg"People moaning about Radford, Dowes and Cusack in the squad need to remember that our pack was not the big problem last year. Radford has the weght of the captaincy removed from his shoulders and in the Rovers friendly he looked like a new player to me.
We still have impact with Manu and Lauaki and if Meley is played from the bench he will also add to that.
Give the team and coach a chance before moaning about it. We all have our favourites in the team and we are dissapointed when they are not in.'"
exactly, lets see what happens first, I though Radford looked a different player in the rovers game aswell.
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| I'm sorry but those looking for some sort of tactical reason as to why Dowes, Radford and Cusack are all playing at the expense of Moa are clutching at straws. Its simply down to not having the balls to tell one of the three that they are dropped, simple as that. We now have 3 props who couldn't break an egg let alone a tackle. 3 into 2 just doesn't go so I suggest Mr Agar needs to grow a pair and decide which 2 to go with for the good of the team and if it puts 1 players nose out of joint so be it. The strength of the squad was supposed to allow Agar to pick players on form, on form Cusack doesn't deserve his spot. From what I understand Calderwood is not injured so dropping him to accomadate Hall on the wing is just bizarre! If you Hall needs to play then again, grow a pair, and pick him in his best position. Will these changes be the difference between winning and losing at Saints? Who knows but I'm alot less confident now.
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| Quote ="HULLMAD"exactly, lets see what happens first, I though Radford looked a different player in the rovers game aswell.'"
I thought he did, but then, I also thought that Moa did. Cusack looks underdone and ought to have missed out, IMO.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"From what I understand Calderwood is not injured so dropping him to accomadate Hall on the wing is just bizarre! '"
What do you know? If Calderwood isn't injured, I don't see why the club should say he is unless it's a disciplinary issue they're trying to keep in house. If he's just been dropped in favour of playing Hall out of position, then why not say so?
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I'm sorry but those looking for some sort of tactical reason as to why Dowes, Radford and Cusack are all playing at the expense of Moa are clutching at straws. Its simply down to not having the balls to tell one of the three that they are dropped, simple as that. We now have 3 props who couldn't break an egg let alone a tackle. 3 into 2 just doesn't go so I suggest Mr Agar needs to grow a pair and decide which 2 to go with for the good of the team and if it puts 1 players nose out of joint so be it. The strength of the squad was supposed to allow Agar to pick players on form, on form Cusack doesn't deserve his spot. From what I understand Calderwood is not injured so dropping him to accomadate Hall on the wing is just bizarre! If you Hall needs to play then again, grow a pair, and pick him in his best position. Will these changes be the difference between winning and losing at Saints? Who knows but I'm alot less confident now.'"
You certainly seem convinced, and I wouldn't dismiss your information out of hand without knowing the source, but I find it hard to believe that Agar would put his job at risk just to keep some players happy. He knows that failure will see him sacked sharpish, so why take that chance?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Washy not been in the 17 would not surprise me, Agar could well end up losing us two top young players in Hall and Washy with the way he has used them. Washbrook should be our starting 13 nevermind struggling to make the bench and Hall should be in the centres with Yeaman. Hall did far more last year than Turner did at Saford.'"
Agreed. Hall will be scoring tries for fun at rovers next year
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| Quote ="wolfie"Wonder what time the Agar out thread will get posted
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Agreed. Hall will be scoring tries for fun at rovers next year'" Saints
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Agreed. Hall will be scoring tries for fun at rovers next year'"
And unless his defence improves big style he will be letting a few in as well.
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| Hall has defensive frailities and against Saints they will definately be punished and targeted. Some games no matter what a player brings in attack it will not compensate for what it loses in defence.
Most people are expecting a tight game and in a game like one silly defensive mistake can cost you 2 points. As we have seen Hall is a confidence player and the last thing he needs is a mare in the first game.
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| Quote ="Robbo4"I'm sorry but those looking for some sort of tactical reason as to why Dowes, Radford and Cusack are all playing at the expense of Moa are clutching at straws. Its simply down to not having the balls to tell one of the three that they are dropped, simple as that. We now have 3 props who couldn't break an egg let alone a tackle. 3 into 2 just doesn't go so I suggest Mr Agar needs to grow a pair and decide which 2 to go with for the good of the team and if it puts 1 players nose out of joint so be it. The strength of the squad was supposed to allow Agar to pick players on form, on form Cusack doesn't deserve his spot. From what I understand Calderwood is not injured so dropping him to accomadate Hall on the wing is just bizarre! If you Hall needs to play then again, grow a pair, and pick him in his best position. Will these changes be the difference between winning and losing at Saints? Who knows but I'm alot less confident now.'"
Moa only got a contract because of the swell of public opinion. If it was up to agar he wouldn't even be at the club. His whole ethos is to play a defence orientated game and hopefully manage to scrape more points than the opposition. It's why he plays a prop at LF where the successful teams play a runner or someone with a bit of creativity.
dowes, cusack and radford as 3 of our props means we'll be on the back foot against graham, fa'asavalu and puletua.
I think moa would have given us something different
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| I thought Moa was always goign to be 5th choice prop and has not done to much in pre season to change that for me. Also I dont think Agar would drop Calderwood for Hall as Hall has never done well on the wing can only be down to injury. I dont know how fast Turner is but surely he has as much chance as Hall of starting on the wing, He'd probably do better returning the ball out of his own 20.
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| Quote ="Marc fc"I thought Moa was always goign to be 5th choice prop and has not done to much in pre season to change that for me. Also I dont think Agar would drop Calderwood for Hall as Hall has never done well on the wing can only be down to injury. I dont know how fast Turner is but surely he has as much chance as Hall of starting on the wing, He'd probably do better returning the ball out of his own 20.'"
Don't think pace is that much of an issue. neither meli or gardner are that quick.
Big issue is to stop their good go forward they get from their front 5
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| The team for Saints
Tansey Briscoe Yeaman Whiting Turner
Horne Long
Radford Houghton Downs
Manu Tickle
Fitzgibbon
Subs Berrigan O'Meley Lauaki Cusack
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think pace is that much of an issue. neither meli or gardner are that quick.
Big issue is to stop their good go forward they get from their front 5'" Meli is not in the Saints 19
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think pace is that much of an issue. neither meli or gardner are that quick.
Big issue is to stop their good go forward they get from their front 5'"
Wheeler will be on the wing , Meli is still in NZ
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"Don't think pace is that much of an issue. neither meli or gardner are that quick.
Big issue is to stop their good go forward they get from their front 5'"
yeah if they get quick play the balls Puletua and graham will run over us. be interesting to see how they play the three hookers
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