They both do!

Lets be fair , whilst i feel very sorry for the lad jaw damage is a weekly injury in rugby all over the world and the lad has handled himself very well throughout what must be a very painful time for him, with regards the hit itself, it was neither dangerous or illegal as it was the head that hit the jaw in a cracking shoulder charge!!exactly the sort of shoulder charge that many FC players have done many times all season, its part of the game and is exciting to see when they come off and sickening when they end like this one to burgess however damage of that magnatude is rare thankfully, no attempt should be made to change the tackling laws as they are just right as they are , its a big boys game not conkers

Got to agree with that.....the crowd at the KC and all the other grounds love it when the shoulder charges work...no one wants to see any player injured but it is a part & parcel of the game.

The crowd go mental when O'Meley does it

As has been said, shoulder charges are great to watch from a fans POV, but to me there's nothing better than a player crumpling an opponent by hitting the mid-riff with his shoulder. In the limited time I played it was a far more effectve way in bringing a player down/stopping the play & far more predictable in terms of injury outcome. With a shoulder charge players can just bounce off, make more ground & still easily offload, with a textbook tackle forward momentum is stopped and it is difficult to offload safely, you also dominate the tackle as the oppo is invariably on their back.
A perfect example of this is on that popular video website under 'big hits' at 1:45 where the England RU tighthead prop nails his French opposition.

You've gotta love social networking sites!

It's the one near his teeth that will provide the must problems.

Depends what you find out via one!

Guess morley, Omeley and past masters of the shoulder check like barrie and so on were all wrong then??

isnt it illegal to shoulder barge in union now? Thought you had to make an attempt to tackle

Always has been hadn't it?

Not always, only realised it had changed when O'Driscoll got done for the Lions in SA last year.
You now have to lift your arms in an attempt to tackle or you're gone.

It is apparently a Contre-coup - My daughter in Law is so clever

Isn't a contrecoup injury just one that occured on the opposite side to the impact/where he was hit? (this may still be true, as I haven't seen footage of the Burgess hit).


Edit: Just been looking it up, and from what I could tell, contrecoup only refers to brain injuries (a brain injury at the opposite side to the impact). However, I don't know myself, your d-i-l will probably know more about it than me, by the sounds of it.

Contrecoup fracture, referring to a fracture of the skull which appears away from the point of impact.

Although the main fracture did happen at the site of impact, the pressure applied as it's cracked has probably caused the jaw to fracture at the middle point. So she was kind of correct.

I wonder when it came in then?

I got penalised for it when I first played it 10 years ago.

Sbw did on his debut 3 years ago.

I'm not 100% sure tbh, i only really watch the international game, my dad played and used to do it often, that would of been 15-20 years ago though.

You don't read too well do you? I said that a textbook tackle is 'more effective', please show me where I said that the shoulder charge was wrong


Please expand on what I have described as been incorrect if that is what you believe.

Yes, they're great, your point being in relation to my post is?

Are you going to reply to my response or are you all mouth & no action. Maybe next time you should read properly before you make yourself look silly

Just because a post is beneath yours doesn't mean that it is a reply to your post. There are other posts in the thread, you know.

I presume that his mention of social networking sites is that the pictures that we have of the injury have all been posted by Luke Burgess onto his Twitter, as well as infomation regarding the injury.

Fair point, my apologies to Wellsey 13 for my rash comment.

Where's his rash?

on his myspace