Do you really believe all that or are you just toeing the party line?

not a case of believing pal, just plain facts you cant even see that hull have no quality halfback leadership on the pitch hense the 5 drives all the time and the scrappy games. when longy actually plays hull look a far better side just his leader ship alone and as for fitz and ogre not playing makes a massive difference. you imagine lulu and tomkins as hull partnership, do you still think we would be as poor?

im not sure if i should contribute to this thread but im going to try and expect to be shot down too like the original poster did. (although ive not read all the replys).

For me last night, i dont think we should have been trailing by the scorline we was at half time, i really dont think they were that much better than us. Obviously they were better and the small things they did right paid off. Especially in the first half i dont think people on here can fault commitment or effort. Sometimes the better team wins, and the personell they had on the pitch i think the result was probably right. If a few things came off for us in the first half we could have easilly gone in at half time 12-6 or 18-12 or so on.

Now the first half of the second half id probbalby say the same. A few individual errors cost us again and wigan took advantage, which is probably what cost us in the first half too. at the end of the game was i dissapointed? yes, did our team try? for me for 80% of the game again probably yes.

No way do i think we are good enough this season and im still unsure if im an agar follower or an agar out. Am i happy being 4th at this stage of the season? yes! alot of fans thought rovers over achieved last season and i think at times this season we probably have too.

Its not the end of the world losing against wigan, and things can get better. will they? im not so sure. But for 1 thing, i wont cheer when hall catches a ball sarcastically, i will try to get behind my team. We can do better and hopefully will.

People are reading too much into this defeat, we were on a hiding to nothing last night and i for one am not really surprised, yeah i thought we would at least register some points but wigan were really excellent in defence, hats off to them, they will win the league but next week will be different again against a team that isn't in the form wigan are in plus we have influencial players coming back. I am confident we will get back on the horse and put the wigan game behind us.

Moa couldn't get a game when we played Wigan.

mind you they all played at craven park and the winning margin was the same, spooky

your basing it on one game when both teams where poor, rovers were poor the other week and hull were better, like i said hull wud have put more points on the table will longy fitz and ogre basing on the way hull played that week. not to mention hull look better when longy is on the field organising

Here goes for you



If your team played with the same enthusiasm as the week before against your local rivals you would not have been nilled?
Yes you was missing some key player's but that does not give you the licence to roll over and get butt fecked by another team?
Leeds and Saints have injury's worse than your own and would not get nilled by Wigan?
Hull are signing 30 odd year old's who are prone to injury then it's Hull's fault?

Correct, but he is one of our better performers this year and those three players didn't play so we weren't quite full strength!!

If there both singing from the same hymn sheet as we have been this season and the two previous debarcle's ..then nothing would change much.

cant you see that both saints and leeds have better strength in depth squad that hull have got, look at bradford they dont have the strength in depth like leeds wigan saints huddersfield and there 10 on the trot beaten the difference is they are better sides than we are so it does make a difference enthusiasm doesnt win you games like we saw when rovers got tonked by saints, your squad does.

so you think nothing would change with longy fits and ogre in the squad.?

It doesn't against teams like Wigan, but could well have against Wakefield, Crusaders, Salford etc. And whether it wins games or not, fans expect to see enthusiasm every single week. I think that's the very least we are entitled to.

You said Tomkings and Luluai.

with the half back problems we have why do you expect to beat wakefield, crusaders, salford last year we had the same problems and finished near the bottom. untill hull bring in a quality 6 and a young 7 for when longy is out hull will be the same dribnle to watch. the game looks dull and un interesting when you dont have good half backs on the pitch comanding and controlling, whitch maybe thats what your mistaking for enthusiasm

My mistake sorry.. but yeah lulu and tomkkins would make a difference by far

we lost againt wakefeild and crus because we never had half backs good enough. not because lack of enthusiasm hull was poor poor in attack, no clue and nop idea.

Er, thanks for responding to my post twice. You were wrong both times.

I'm not 'mistaking' lack of enthusiasm for anything. I'm talking about things like line speed in defence, fighting to get a quick play the ball, committed kick chases, not strolling to scrums when you're 20-odd points down, running your weight in attack, and making tackles stick. Those are the things that you can do regardless of whether you have a halfback or not.

Even when Longy has been in the side we have looked poor in attack and clueless plenty of times as well.

Didn't look very good away at wigan and salford with long in the side, and a few more games where he's failed to spark. We have been poor all season with ball in hand irrespective of who has played. Our 2 best performances have been inspired by long against his old team and the only other one of note was the derby, which wasn't a great performance but was out of kilter with the other half dozen or so games either side

Longy has always been the same just ask Saints fans. You get good games here and there but a lot of the time he just goes through the motions but one spark of brilliance makes you forget about those moments.
At Saints he got away with this due to their being other players capable of making tries etc and he always seemed to turn it on in the big must win games.
We on the other hand are pretty much reliant on Long to create everything and if he doesn;t we look dull and boring.

I'd forget it mate, your up against the coach of the century here.

Not fickle just a realist, our team are just average.
We are 5th in the table in a false position when was last time a team in top 8 with a minus score against them.
We don't bring on enough youngsters through most seem to go backwards at Hull and i don't know why but its true

spot on...

Last week we had most of the same players missing, and played far far better then we did this week.

Yes we may well loose games, but last week showed me that there is now no more pathetic excuses for having poor games.