Richard Horne is 'Mr Hull FC' though


Horne has been poor these past few games. It really annoyed me that all he seemed to do was 'show and go' for the majority of the game on Sunday, but he has actually shown how good he can be this season which differs to Thorman. Horne just needs to get his head screwed on, whereas I'm not sure Thorman's performances are due to a lack of form rather than a lack of quality

Horne isn't supposed to be organising the team and putting the accurate kicks in though, thats Thormans job and he isn't currently doing it. Also Horne isn't the one making stupid decisions to kick early in the tackle count. He hasn't been brilliant I agree but Thorman has been far worse in terms of what their role is supposed to be.

Horne set a fair few of our tries up with his short kicks in the opening 5 games, he has stopped doing it.

FWIW im not blaming any players. Ive made it clear where i think the blame lies.

What is Horne's role?

Also Hornes dfence seems very ppoor this year, not as good as it use to be, much worst than Thormans.

He doesn't have the size he used to have thats why. Also Thorman is far worse in defence.

He hasn't had the chance because Thorman is putting kicks in on the 1st 2nd and 3rd tackle.

Think they've been on a par. Horney has struggled most with this aspect of his game since returning. He'll be back as time progresses.

Not according to this

[urlhttp://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics_player.php?hs1=2009&hp1=206&hs2=2009&hp2=156&stat=tries&season=2009[/url

Here we go again.

My thoughts exactly. CT is constantly driven back in the tackle and is always in a bad position to control the ruck. Thats not to say Horne has been brilliant this year either.

Which of course won't show up on the stats.

Which is on reason why I don't like to rely on them.




I imagine some of that at least may be to do with his new, lower, 'fighting weight'.

What? The comment was made that Thorman has been worse than Horne defensively. I was merely pointing out that it was an inaccurate statement.

Ive also said on here numerous times im not blaming the players, its the coaching thats wrong, but the stats exist for a reason and like it or not the coaches do use them!

No ones relying on them, they are there to inform a discussion with the correct context.

Those stats are meaningless without context.

Totally agree.

See my post above yours!

TBH I take sports stats with a VERY large pinch of salt. The mechanism for their collection and compilation is far from clear, and many of them are based on subjective judgements. IMO they are of very limited use.

OK then.

So what is Horne's Role?

For me it's making breaks, supporting play help orgaisise the team and put some good kicks in.

The last couple of games he hasnt done any of this.

But Thorman has been getting all the stick.

It's not an inaccurate statement. Pointing at some contextless numbers doesn't change this.



They use them, but do so with much more thought than a quick scan of a couple of meaningless numbers. At least, I hope they do. To do otherwise would be extremely foolish and naive.

OK then - what constitutes a missed tackle for statistical purposes?

How many of the tackles listed for each player is when he's third man in?

What constitutes a clean break?

Who collects the stats? How many of them are there? Do they do it live or from video footage? What's their RL background? How familiar are they with the game and rules?

No statistician worth his salt would use data with so many unknowns.

Why do they players take no blame whatsoever? I agree with you most of the time but I can't understand your thinking that everything that goes wrong is down to Agar. Someone misses a tackle, drops a ball, looks lazy and uninterested and it's all Agar's fault.

For me its 50/50 between the coaches and the players.

Just watched the highlights. Horne is instrumental in two of our tries, taking the ball to the line and passing superbly to put players through gaps.

Seems like halfback play to me.

Performed pretty much as expected really, he has shown a lot of quality in some games especially with his short kicking game, he isnt enough of a playmaker or have the character or the long range kicking game to play as a 7 week in and week out in SL.

After missing out on the "not good enough" Michael Dobson i'd imagine Thorman is a more than adequate addition