Mainly the players I would have thought. Minds on the semi and all that. Far more important to them than a league game they were unlikely to win anyway

I agree - terrible attitude from the players that. No wonder they've only got 2 more points than us and a worse defensive record. Some of our players have much in common with some of theirs. Doesn't reflect well on Tony Smith mind.

The defence and difference in league points are more of a reflection of the period before tony smith took over

The've won 8 of their last 12 league games under smith. If we'd shown the same form we'd be in 4th place.

You keep trying to make your point though

Shame you cant answer the point that Wire made basic errors a plenty last weekend but you don't blame their coach, whereas we made plenty of basic errors at the weekend and you blame our coach. Cock and bull about not having minds on the game is exactly that - cock and bull.

Your inconsistency would get you a place in our starting line up.

Wire have had a small number of poor games in the last 15 or so, which isn't ideal but is sympomatic of sportmen at the top level (it's why the likes of man utd sometimes lose games you wouldn't expect them to). At our club poor play is endemic.

Do you remember when millward got his wigan team amongst us the week before the CC final in 2005? You suggesting our minds were on the wgan game that day?

If you don't understand feel free to come back to me

Wire are fighting for a top 8 place which I have no doubt whatsoever is a major priority for that club. To suggest their minds were on a semi final 3 weeks down the line and it caused them to make numerous errors is one of your more ridiculous fabrications it has to be said. The Warrington players, coached by Tony Smith, were poor in that game in the same way the Hull players were poor against Celtic. It was the players who were responsible for that defeat by failing to apply the basic skills to the required standard. They have a better quality of player in general and will win more games than us no doubt about it. The sooner we remove some of the dross from our squad the better. If Agar does remove some of the wasters then he will have succeeded where several have previously failed. If he fails to coach the side to a top 4 berth next year with the higher quality signings brought in he should go.





Don't worry - understanding your posts isn't a major issue. My son's Key Stage 1 comprehension homework is more taxing.

It is the hard work done during the game that loosens defenses up for the final quarter. Hull comfortably beat Celtic - the fact that it was in the last 15 minutes is irrelevant. Have SL stopped counting tries in the last fifteen minutes.

Warrington beat Celtic by precisely the same score in the previous week and the reviews were along the lines of "Two second-half tries from full-back Richie Mathers finished off a comfortable evening's work for Warrington Wolves as they condemned the Celtic Crusaders to yet another engage Super League defeat this season."

This will be another entry into the evidence file I'm preparing in order to claim £5 for the reward of the capture of James Rule.

We didn't even look like scoring until the last 10 minutes in a home game, against the worst side in SL by some distance. This was supposed to be in response to the shambles at Cas the week before

Well, it was a response - they were slightly better. They don't want to play too well and spoil the fun on here.

It must have been hard work done invisibly as up to the final 15 minutes we looked, and were, poor. The final scoreline flattered us and it would have been less except that Celtic lost heart imho, when we went back into the lead. Admittedly it was good play by us to score the three tries but it doesn't hide the ineptitude of the previous 65 minutes.

I can keep this thread going all year.

Are we not fighting for a top 8 place?

I haven't seen the wire/hudds game so it's difficult to comment with any great level of knowledge, however let's assume wire had a poor game away against the 3rd best club in the league with probably the 2nd most aggressive defence in the league. It could be argued (although like your assertion it would be pure conjecture) that the defensive effort from hudds caused some, if not all, of the errors. We'll never know will we, however it's more likely that they did than celts defensive efforts forced us into errors.

What is clear is that tony smith is capable of preparing his side to perform at a good standard most weeks. No team can do it every week, the concentration levels and fitness levels required mean it just isn't possible. He has shown a massive turnaround in their form since taking over.

agar has shown nothing to suggest he is capable of doing the same. You can believe that he can if you want but he really isn't as the majority are only too aware

You have to question why a group of players who have shown in the past that they are capable of much more than they are currently achieving are playing so poorly, not being able to demonstrate the most basic of skills. You obviously believe that it's a problem with all of teh players. i believe it to be poor coaching. We're never going to agree on anything. So much so in fact I'm beginning to believe you're my wife. She's always wrong as well



Glad you've found your level

More likely to be due to celts losing 3 players to injuries and running out of steam

But that hasn't counted when it's happened to Hull throughout the season so many times?

Although the game was dull, I was thinking the same.....It was a comfortable win margin in the end. Celtic are not a bad team.....Theyre not brilliant...remember Catalans in their first (and second) year in SL.....They still had wins. Celtic looked hungry last week.....and we denied them any more than a nibble......then sent 'em to bed with empty bellies


I just hope Hull FC turn up at CP on Saturday.....The Hull FC that...on paper, could beat anyone!!!! Rovers won't get a sniff of victory if they do!!

Not when most of our games are over by 1/2 time. Anyway, which matches have we been 3 players down going into teh last 1/4?

Dress it up all you want, but Friday's performance was probably the worst we've seen from a Hull side since the move to the KC

You know, I can't remember but we have certainly finished games with few or no rotations left due to injuries - for example against Leeds where we played the entire second half with two players unable to return.

I can't remember who wasinjured in which particular game but seeing as we have had approximately 25 injuries to approximately 20 of our players this season I expect there have been a few occasions where we have lost more than one of our potential subs in a match.

Not according to some on here.



I didn't see it either. However the article in the Warrington rag quoted Smith himself bemoaning the basic errors so I'm inclined to believe him.



Arguably - thought he did a really great job with the country's elite in the World Cup.



Yes he has certainly been an improvement on that coaching guru Jimmy Lowes. In fairness he may well have started to attack the perceived drinking culture at that club which I believe Agar is trying to do at ours.


Jury out for me on that.He took us to Wembley last year when able to get a decent halfback on the park, and infact we were less than 15 minutes from winning the cup. I would like to see improvements from him in many areas and he will need to produce quickly next season or be chopped.



Shouldn’t you be doing the washing up ?

Britain's elite



He's a coach not a miracle worker

agar has had a year and a half and has presided over the 2 worst finishes in SL since the merger. He's rubbish, accept it. there is so much about him as a coach and a person that says he isn't up to it. A good coach can get the best out of any group of players. agar seems capable only of getting the worst out of them




That's why I bought her a dishwasher

Told the missus we should've turned left not right and we'd have been home Sunday night!!

Well according to the Dull Daily Fail Agar has backtracked, he loves us so all is well in the world.

Message to Agar:

Go and beat them red and white ***t* go and damage them, show them what passion you can fire in a Hull FC shirt.

Then we might just believe you

Agree, every player from 1 to 17 should give 110% for the shirt tomorrow, if they can't give that for a Derby then theres no hope,

Every player plus the coaching set up...a repeat of Agar's first derby game in charge will do nicely!

aye, them as well!!!

Well, embarrassingly, they've repeated something. Check out the pre-match review on [urlhttp://www.hullfc.tv/[/url