This will mean Agar will go more defensive now.

agree 100%

I would play turner in the centre and put Tansey into the halves. Not sure Turner will direct play and that is what we are missing - direction and organisation - when Long doesn't play.

He still doesn't look good next to a top 7

better than people think

I think you need your head seeing to son. Give Crusaders the respect they deserve, they are a better team this season with a very experienced coach behind them. They won't tbe the push over they were last season!

I knew we were going to lose today, had a bad feeling about it all week. Without Long we are CLUELESS, today we had a chance to show what we could do without him, coming up against a side that we really should be beating and we blew it. We sounded asif we were never in the game, no options, poor kicking, poor discipline, poor defence, and we fully deserved to lose.

Yep, we'll get past this, and learn from it.

Not bad idea, but Tansey is one of the players playing really well in their position so I would keep him there

As far as I'm concerned we've had an off day. SL is close enough this year that if you're not on your game you'll get punished. If this kind of performance becomes the norm then I'll get concerned.

They have Witt playing for them and he is one of the best organising halves in the league. That is what beat Hull today.

think we"ll bounce back next week but this was very dissapointing but but we may of needed it reality check. some players have to bounce back from this players like horne, whiting ect. lets not get to downhearted lets get down to the kc nxt week in big numbers in front of the sky cameras and put on a show.come on hull

Aye..MOM I think

Both IMO.

perspective please people.
Jesus one game lost saints and leeds have lost as well you no.
Crusaders won't go to bad this season imo, good team on paper and a good coach who should be able to gel them together (the one thing i'm unsure with regards agar) they gave leeds a good game for an hour before fitness kicked in.
Changes will have to be made if Agar is true to his word of you are playing for your shirt as it appears a few aren't cutting the mustard at the minute.
I'm more concerned on how we respond to this defeat on Friday yes its disappointing but at least it will bring the expectations down a bit now.

Ah well it hurts, but it could be worse at least we was not nilled

Exactly - Noble hasn't won all he has for nothing. Hopefully the fans who travelled there can tell us if the players were rubbish or just the tactics

He will play a similar role in the halves but with more ball. We need someone with character who will take some responsibility for moving the team around and I think he will do it. Whiting FB Turner centre Tansey SH.

I really think this game totally proved why Agar is not a SL coach..
We should have sat down during pre season and worked out a plan b if longy got injured. Today proved he had nowt prepared....Longy will miss more games then he plays.....we need to cope or will be a poor team for the next 2 seasons.

Big test for Agar as well......if he cant get them up for Fri then he needs to be replaced...this isnt a knee-jerk,never agreed with him and he isnt good enough.

And we weren't playing on our own muck

Bit early to be calling for Agar's head. We do however need to see what he can do to organise the side while Long is injured. We can't go back to Jason Smith's first season here, where we only seemed to stand a chance if he was playing.

Tansey certainly has the character we need, I would just really like him to own the FB this season. Hall/Whiting partnership sounded weak today, needs looking at fast.

No, actually, we won't, simply because Agar doesn't have a clue about devising a plan when one of his playmakers is missing.

WTF? How can people be calling for Hall and Whiting to be replaced after today? Lack of organisation in the middle cost us, not the threequarters.