Well either 10000 fans know nothing or Agar knows nothing. I know which side i'd back.

Awful so far, but its only game 2, his new coach doesn't have a clue and the squads morale looks on the floor...so I shall give him the benefit of the doubt

He'll come good , He just needs the right coach to give him the freedom to play his natural game.imo.

just like all the other players we move to replace injuries instead of moving up youth we sign up to full time contracts!!

He seems to be a lot heavier than when he played for Cas.

The reason for that will be agar draining any ball playing skills out of him so agar can turn him into the next ewen dowes

His defence has been poor 2 games running now but if we can get him playing in his correct position with the ball in hand we will see more from him. Too early to write him off yet IMO and thats from someone who was not convinced of the signing in the first place.

He must of looked like a lamp-post at cas then, there's feck all on him.

So lets get this right,if Westerman plays 13 instead of 11 or 12 he'll be a better player?
Regardless of the fact at Cas he never played the traditional 13 role,or that 90% of clubs don't use use the 13 in a traditional sense, instead using them as an extra backrower.

I've not seen anything from him at Hull or Cas over the last two years,that elevates him above anything we already had,imo A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY.

It's that new widescreen tv his local pub has just bought in Cas. Still in black and white though.

Not a 2nd rower, simple as that. It's the same situation as Washbrook.

I can't get my head around Agar seeming to think Westerman isn't ready for 13 at this stage of his career, but touting his ability to play 6 if necessary which has even more responsibility. So, 2nd row it is then. Farcical.

Bang on the money .

More proof of Agar's incomprehension.

We're playing a loose forward in the 2nd row to accomodate a prop at loose forward, with one 2nd rower currently at centre and another playing 15 minutes at prop from the bench, whilst another loose forward is also playing from the bench, but either in the 2nd row or prop, I'm not entirely sure which he was supposed to be. It's madness.

It would be comical if it wasn't true!!

Whiting (possibly)
Manu
Turner
Radford
Tickle
Fitzgibbon
Lauaki
Westerman
Washbrook

9 out of the 17 back rowers, say's it all.

Are you finally seeing the light?

The one thing that was keeping me was the continuity effect, that after minimal player changes in personell (in key positions) we would see a more cohesive unit. Unfortunately, i was wrong. I still think it's too early to completely panic, but it doesn't look good.

Fair play for admitting it.

1 less p1ss artist at Cas, a top earner off ours books and over £100K in our back pockets for an extremely average player.

Good piece of business

I think at Cas he might have been a big fish in a small pond, which is why he shone so much in his first few years.

Just utilise him in the right way and he'll produce the goods, hopefully.

Not seen anything to suggest he's anything more than average so far, I hope to god I'm wrong! I also thought Tickle was nothing tonight, I'm fed up of watching us perform so badly!

Makes me cringe seeing him wearing the 11 shirt and Fitzgibbon, a 2nd row/prop all his career, wearing the 13. It's the same situation as when Crocker, a natural second row, signed and was given the 13 in place of Washbrook, who to me looks a natural 13. Obviously they have only been given those shirts and used in that position because they are Aussies and more 'prestigious' players.

Numbers mean nothing in todays game IMO

Youve got a decent player, who will prolly shine every now and again.

The Westerman hype ended 2 years ago......

Westerman is a player that stood out as a player coming through and took his chance well once selected for super league. But for me he is now a player that has settled down and found his level and he is no longer that exiting prospect from previous seasons. Hull spent big money on the exiting prospect and overlooked the player that he now is. An average super league player that has been great for the Castleford coffers.