If Cartwright gets Abdul fit, then we're gonna have a top drawer player there.

Everyone knows how taleanted a rugby league player there is in Abdul, but it's always been about his fitness with him.

Of course, it won't just be down to Cartwright, Abdul has to play his part.

Radford, Peters and McNamara have all tried and failed, why will it be different this time?

Like I said, let's wait and see.

Cartwright's main point was that his team are gonna be fit. So that's the only hope I'm clinging to.

But a fit Abdul is gonna be a very good player. So right now I'll cling to that hope.

I'm not waiting and seeing anymore at this club, years and years of disappointment and enough is enough

Not sure, if/when we finish bottom maybe.

I didn't watch the game live today and have scrolled through the recording. Entirely as expected, a disjointed performance by a team that look like they barely know each other (in fairness that's partly true) - our passing remains diabolical.

Unless Cartwright is some sort of magician I just don't see a material improvement next year, but I'm pretty ambivalent about it, wasted a fair bit of angst on these since 2018 so just resigned to more of the same. They say it's the hope that kills you, so perversely having no hope at all makes the relentless huge defeats easy to accept.

Even in a disastrous day for us, I have to mention that Lewis Martin keeps showing even better glimpses of talent game on game. He seems to be getting more confident each game I see in s team that has no confidence. Some blistering running from him today. Cutting through them like a thoroughbred. He's still only a puppy.

Completely agree.

Does he stick around if we continue to be poor and Wigan/saints/Warrington come calling?

On behalf of all Leigh fans i want to thank you for taking Tom (hands like cows tits) Briscoe and Ed (can’t pass won’t pass can’t tackle won’t tackle) Chamberlain off our hands.

What a massive disappointment. Sums up the season really. Rudderless, disjointed, no leaders or creativity. Makes me more glad we’ve signed experienced players.

Martin continues to improve, as does Barron - who I’d previously written off, so fair play to him.

Why oh why didn’t we start a hooker at 9? He starts Charles at 7 and Moy at 1, why not Balmforth at 9? Still can’t help but think Grix as it in for him for some reason.

Once we were with Charles at 1, Smith the only half and Lane at 9 we were done for. We had no problem getting to their line, but absolutely no clue how to get over it. I really do think if we’d have kept Reynolds we would have won a few more games, especially those tight losses a few weeks back and maybe even today with Walker at 6.

Anyway, ifs and buts. The team is a show which is thankfully being sorted out. Less than half of the 17 today should be in the starting 17 next season.

Rovers fanboy Matthew Shaw sticking the knife in with relish in the HDM. It's brutal but he's just saying what most of us believe.

The London coach was totally the opposite
showed his passion and annoyance all match

What could have made a difference is when London were looking tired after 30 minutes he should have brought Balmforth on.
When Walker went off why move players around when all he had to do was move Briscoe to full back.
Resting Moy was a bad decision.He is not injured

He will be otherwise thats another we have to pay off

Agree with this. I’ve always had the impression he doesn’t really care. Very quick to blame the players not ‘sticking to the plan’ and ‘not being brave’. This might be the case, but maybe playing players in their actual positions, rotating players properly, and showing some genuine emotion wouldn’t go a miss - like you say, sometimes even a bit smirky.

I think it screams that he’s not part of our plans and he’s just seeing his job through. It’s a free shot for him and it shows. Surely if he was going to be a big part of the set up next season he would be in regular comms with Cartwright just like Myler? A few txt messages isn’t that.

yet most on here said rest him for this game

Whats the odds on a knee jerk signing next week?

Dreadful, simply dreadful, no other words for it really.

I know the loss of Carlos and Walker meant an ad-hoc reshuffle to the side in the first half, but think it was irrelevant, even with them on the pitch it would have made no difference to an abject woeful display which ranks as bad as anything we have witnessed these past seven years.

We look, unfortunately, like exactly what we are; a low-quality side packed full of low-quality players, whose confidence is totally shot after a series of relentless defeats, de-motivated, unenthused and lacking in conviction, being overseen by a coaching set-up which hasn't a single clue about how to change the situation.

It can't even be dismissed as yet another bad performance within a year which has spun out of control. Seven years of endless mistakes and errors of judgment by a plethora of individuals have brought us to this situation. If the people concerned had set out to deliberately destroy our club I doubt they could have made a better job of it than the one they have carried out since 2017. All concerned should hang their heads in shame at their part in the systematic dismantling of a once great club.

I have been a supporter since 1975 (I guess for some it's even longer than that), the club has brought me many happy memories and some great days , as well as some distressing and disappointing ones alongside the good times, but right now, for the first time in all those years, I feel ashamed and embarrassed to be a black and white. I have never felt this low about our great club, even when we were a second division outfit in 96-97. At least then I felt there was some hope for a future, but tonight I am struggling to find even a flicker of hope to cling onto.

We are in a mess the like of which most of us have never seen in our lifetimes.

Something will definitely leak

About 60 points next week

I'm more concerned about our youngsters been exposed to our so called SL players lack of effort, desire & confidence. It just wreaks of white flag.

Maybe I'm expecting too much but I'd like to have heard an apology and explanation from the management or owner of the club for that abject performance today.
I don't think I'm expecting too much but as fans and especially for those poor souls that attended today I think we deserve that.

Anger and disappointment doesn't come close to how I feel about the club right now after watching that.

I wonder if the players know or care about the fan's feelings right now.

They think your Toxic...

As I said earlier (Ive watched it back again now, well as much as I could stomach and thank goodness I stopped writing the Dentist Diary!!!) last week I said we were at rock bottom but many said that we were in a worse mess at the start of the season when Smith was here well I'm afraid I have to disagree it feels like the Lloyd years and the Casey days if not the mid 70's but at least then we had seemed to have some hope this has spiralled down for years good players going always replaced by player not quite as good and fans becoming more and more disillusioned.

Thankfully it looks like the game is so far in with a ten years contract with IMG that we will hold the line with no relegation (Adam has told me several times in the past that Championship rugby would kill the club with the KC contract having to be renegotiated immediately and us not being able to afford to stay there anyway and us effectively being homeless). Although on that front after today Deggsie will be rubbing his hands!!!! What a mess and simply heartbreaking for many of us!

Think the only thing that is toxic is that poorly, cheaply assembled playing roster with a couple of exceptions.