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| Quote ="berro's best mate"no, but if you take his entire stats, runs,tackle busts,tackles etc etc..he will outstrip most other wingers, hence him playing for gb....
thats what im saying, if you take the whole picture which is what stats prove......then the top performers will undoubtadly be the best'"
You just told me that the person who scores most tries is the best. Are you now telling me you're wrong?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"=#0000FFAre they? maybe with some context but people will be saying how great houghton and fitz are because they made a stack of tackles yesterday, but they both played the whole 80 minutes. How effective were they overall in the game? How much more impact might they have had if they'd been spelled?
The limited amount of statistical information we see as fans gives very little clue to a player's effectiveness. clubs have access to significantly more information which allows them to build a better picture of player performance'" So use other stats for the context. Graham is normally always at the top for metres gained, but Saints play him for at least 60 minutes per game. But when you see he also makes more metres per carry and more carries than most you see why he's rightly regarded as one of the top 3 props in the game.
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I'd say you understand nothing about statistics'"
I understand that if a player has similar stats, and does more tackles busts and kicks in general play then his predecessor, then I am happy with them signing.
Anyway, what does it matter if I don't understand them if they 'mean nothing'?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Would have been over the moon 7 years ago. He'll be 32 next year.'" So now you'd prefer Phelps? The quota spot is irrelevant then.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So use other stats for the context. Graham is normally always at the top for metres gained, but Saints play him for at least 60 minutes per game. But when you see he also makes more metres per carry and more carries than most you see why he's rightly regarded as one of the top 3 props in the game.'"
I don't need stats to tell me graham is one of the best props in the game. Are you a maths teacher?
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| Quote ="Jake the Peg"I don't need stats to tell me graham is one of the best props in the game. Are you a maths teacher?'" Professor, actually.
But, you'd actually have the stats to back it up.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So now you'd prefer Phelps? The quota spot is irrelevant then.'"
Don't know, haven't seen how he'll do for us yet. Just saying that Minichiello would be a questionable signing at his age and with his injury record.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Don't know, haven't seen how he'll do for us yet. Just saying that Minichiello would be a questionable signing at his age and with his injury record.'"
I'd opt for 'ridiculous' or 'foolish' myself.
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Don't know, haven't seen how he'll do for us yet. Just saying that Minichiello would be a questionable signing at his age and with his injury record.'" Oh yeah, i agree.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"In your opinion? Even if the ip address is different it's easy enough to change.'"
I know who is Expro now is, as do plenty of others.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So use other stats for the context. Graham is normally always at the top for metres gained, but Saints play him for at least 60 minutes per game. But when you see he also makes more metres per carry and more carries than most you see why he's rightly regarded as one of the top 3 props in the game.'"
Richard Moore made more yards per carry last year and more offloads, which would you prefer us to sign?
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| Quote ="carl_spackler"Richard Moore made more yards per carry last year and more offloads, which would you prefer us to sign?'" You have to use more than a couple of stats to get true context.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Oh yeah, i agree.'"
Aye Minichello is to old now, I heard this one a while back and hope it's not true.
Lockyer anyone?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Aye Minichello is to old now, I heard this one a while back and hope it's not true.
Lockyer anyone?'" Did he retire from SOO? seem to remember there being talk of it at the time.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Aye Minichello is to old now, I heard this one a while back and hope it's not true.
Lockyer anyone?'"
The fact he still pulls on the Green and Gold speaks volumes. The only thing that would give me pause for thought would be his age and whether he would play enough games to be worth the cost.
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| Quote ="garry brindley"In your opinion? Even if the ip address is different it's easy enough to change.'"
IP addresses are classed as private and can only be obtained, generally, via Police enquiries. The only IP address that show when we post will be that of the ISP - Karoo - for most of us.
Or so I'm told by an IT guru on the "other board"
On Obst, very good signing for me, Agar stated he was looking for cover at 6/7 and 9 and he's found it. I can't think of a better player that would gave come as cover. Good signing all the way.
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| If we went for Minichello then the board really don't have a clue great in his day but not now .I think it be harder then ever to attract the top aussies due to the new tax laws and the exchange rate.Sam didn't seem to keen on staying when I was talking to him couple months ago but let's hope he changed his mind since then.Sam and Ogre should be priorties
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"You have to use more than a couple of stats to get true context.'"
Ok, he tends to play about 40 minutes as opposed to Graham's 60, and on that basis he also averaged more tackle busts per minute, more tackles per minute, and more clean breaks per minute. That's 5 stats in which he comes out on top, but he's not half the player IMO.
I'm not saying that stats can't be useful, but I agree with Jake that sometimes far too much emphasis is placed upon them and they can very much be manipulated.
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"If we went for Minichello then the board really don't have a clue great in his day but not now .I think it be harder then ever to attract the top aussies due to the new tax laws and the exchange rate.Sam didn't seem to keen on staying when I was talking to him couple months ago but let's hope he changed his mind since then.Sam and Ogre should be priorties'"
What did Sam say, Matt?
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"If we went for Minichello then the board really don't have a clue great in his day but not now .I think it be harder then ever to attract the top aussies due to the new tax laws and the exchange rate.Sam didn't seem to keen on staying when I was talking to him couple months ago but let's hope he changed his mind since then.Sam and Ogre should be priorties'"
The way Sam is going there will be a few clubs watching with interest. His next deal will be significantly better than his current. I'd look to tie him in now as it's clear he's just going to get better and better.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"What did Sam say, Matt?'"
Just asked him if he was staying and he said he just said the club have no ambition - his words . He did say lauaki loved it here however
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Just asked him if he was staying and he said he just said the club have no ambition - his words . He did say lauaki loved it here however'"
Let's hope he/money changes his mind then.
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| Quote ="tommyfromhull"Let's hope he/money changes his mind then.'"
Let's hope so becuase can see him being very much in demand if we mess about with his contract
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| Quote ="hullandbroncos"Let's hope so becuase can see him being very much in demand if we mess about with his contract'"
Definatley, his offloading game and minutes are both improving. Highest offloads in the league already.
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