I can see Orford going to Wire tbh.

Thought Briers was on his way to Barrow next season?

I don't know where you've got that idea from. He's an excellent player!

If you think so then fine by me, I don't agree.

Entirely agree!

I would like to hope one would be Orford, and the other a fullback, a LF or a 6. Depending on where Horne, Whiting and Washbrook end up.

can't see why we would be any less of an attraction, we have a lot of cap to spend, and have achieved more success than Warrington have this decade, play to bigger crowds in a better ground, the only advantage Wire have is that Tony Smith is a respected coach.

That could be the entire reason, look at what he did at leeds and he is slowly turning them around, another season there and they may actually turn into the top 4 side they expect to be with the money they have spent

And we are all entitled to our opinion, thats what the forum is for. But I have to say you must be the first person I have come across that doesn't rate him.

With Briers gone and the addition of Orford, Wire will be almost totally built around overseas players

I think that will change too, IF smith stays, he likes to bring through young players to develop them and give them chance, by good coaching he improves them!!

They will be willing to pay that extra bit to secure him like they did with Monaghan when we were in for him.

It really doesn't matter who we sign because Agar and Sharp will coach any talent out of them anyway.

this time I think the board realise they stand to lose a lot of money if they don't sort our problems out, so i'd hope they'd be more ambitious about getting a halfback this time

and with Monaghan I'm glad we didn't get him in the end, i think he's been very disappointing for Warrington

Yeah but so has king et al there, could have been deeper problems there that Smith seems to be sorting, may get better performances from now!

I think Whiting is one of our better players, and the likes of him and Graham Horne are not the problem. Its the top earners in the key positions who are under performing. The Salary cap stops every team from having 17 star players.

Which ones?

Having a player like Graham Horne being a regular starter is a problem IMO, he's only here because of his brother IMHO.

If the board allow Orford to be bought out from under us and we end up with Briers or similar, there will be Hell to pay. And I think they know that.

What hell, loads of bitching on here, people will still go to the games and still buy the shirts, or i will anyway!!

"Hell to pay", in what form?

The big problem is that people will still buy passes, people can bleat all they like, but when push comes to shove they will still part with their hard earned.

Well whoever it is Agar says that we already in discussions, lets just hope they are decent players and we get them tied up first.

I'm not so sure that would be the case this time around TBH. I just get the feeling that the reservoir of optimism that generally gets fans buying stuff even in hard times is exhausted.

The club simply must not allow us to be out bid on the best available halfback during this recruitment round. A top quality scrum half is/will be the most important signing for at least a decade as things stand right now. Should kimmorley and/or Orford come to the UK to play next season then one of them has to be playing for us otherwise I will join the ranks of those who say our club lacks the necessary ambition to be successful. As things stand I'm as confident as I can be that we will get one of these players should they be UK bound.

we are fast becoming the Newcastle Utd of the RL world...potentially a big club but total lack of ambition on the boards part ensures this won't be realised.

Let's hope (for once) we get what we want....