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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"All of this talk of signing a fullback all depends on Tony really, unless he has for definate said that he's going at the end of the season again recently. Then I really wouldn't be suprised to see 1. Horne 6. Thorman and 7. Long.
Hope to god that doesn't happen as I don't see Horne as anything special as a fb and Thormans just crap where ever he plays.
I hope Tony stays, sign someone like Lynch or better. If we sign Lynch sign a world class centre if possible. Cooper or someone.'"
Horne's a temporary solution at full-back and he's done well there, as he would in just about in position you stuck him in.
But come next season alongside a very good scrum half, we will see him shine as stand-off. I rate him alongside Pryce as one of the best 6s this country has got.
I think Long/Horne can is as good as Long/Pryce and Burrow/Maguire
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| Quote ="Dave K."Tony has alot to prove, he has had a bad time with injurys, he is a good fullback, esp going forward, but would hope for someone better personally. I'd like a fullback like Greenshileds or Hodgson, these players werent superstars in the NRL but have proved to be excellent players in defence and attack.
Surley Thorman cant be kept I would rather promete Lee Williams or Danny Nicklaus to the first team squad. But the artical in the HDM about Thorman today does worry me slightly. Hopefully it's just Agar being nice and tying to get thormans confident back up.'"
Imo Tony has nothing to prove he has plenty of times proved that he is a quality fb yes he has had a bad injury but so has Raynor. Raynor also lets the ball bounce quite often. Does he need to prove anything?
Greenshields has been class for Catalans and would be a good signing if Tony leaves.
I think alot of people have kind of got it in for Tony and whenever he makes a mistake quickly pounce to criticize him because they still wish to have Briscoe here.
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"Tony must be leaving as the club are unequivocally in talks with a full back !'"
If that's the case then fair enough I'd wish him all the best in the NRL. So sign a world class fb and leave Horne at 6 to create a good partnership with Long.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Imo Tony has nothing to prove he has plenty of times proved that he is a quality fb yes he has had a bad injury but so has Raynor. Raynor also lets the ball bounce quite often. Does he need to prove anything?
Greenshields has been class for Catalans and would be a good signing if Tony leaves.
I think alot of people have kind of got it in for Tony and whenever he makes a mistake quickly pounce to criticize him because they still wish to have Briscoe here.'"
Raynor is a better player (IMO) is english and is contracted, so the situation is totally different.
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| Quote ="Stanley Unwin"Horne's a temporary solution at full-back and he's done well there, as he would in just about in position you stuck him in.
But come next season alongside a very good scrum half, we will see him shine as stand-off. I rate him alongside Pryce as one of the best 6s this country has got.
I think Long/Horne can is as good as Long/Pryce and Burrow/Maguire'"
Horne for me at 6 really needs to be hell of alot more creative, I'm sick and tierd of seeing a crap drop off to tickle or a pathetic wedge and already knowing who there going to pass to and often taking the wrong option, instead of playing what's infront of them. Something Long does very well.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Raynor is a better player (IMO) is english and is contracted, so the situation is totally different.'"
Why is it different? Raynor also lets the ball bounce every now and then, putting the team in danger of not regaining the ball. Raynors a better winger tonys a better fullback.
So I don't see how the situation is totally different?
Just out of curiousity, was/are you a big fan on Briscoe?
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| Quote ="MR BOJANGLES"Tony must be leaving as the club are unequivocally in talks with a full back !'"
He might be back at hooker next season.
If we fail to sign a quality centre then what chance Berrigan playing there?
Some intresting decisions to be made in the months ahead.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Why is it different? Raynor also lets the ball bounce every now and then, putting the team in danger of not regaining the ball. Raynors a better winger tonys a better fullback.
So I don't see how the situation is totally different?
Just out of curiousity, was/are you a big fan on Briscoe?'"
Is it different as we are talking about who to sign and who to release Tony's contract is up Raynors isnt.
I liked Briscoe, but also rate Tony, I can see the benifits in both players, but really dont want to get into that argument again.
If Tony was playing like he did in 2006 then i would no problem offering him a new contract, however he has only played a couple of times in a season and a half, he has had a couple of serious injuries lets see how he does int he next month. But we cant wait for him to prove himself as we might miss out on another fullback.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"He might be back at hooker next season.
If we fail to sign a quality centre then what chance Berrigan playing there?
Some intresting decisions to be made in the months ahead.'"
Tony won't go to hooker. No chance in hell, when we have Lee and Houghton who are both very good prospects there.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"He might be back at hooker next season.
If we fail to sign a quality centre then what chance Berrigan playing there?
Some intresting decisions to be made in the months ahead.'"
Hopfully none, would be wasted there IMO. Also would rather see Briscoe or Hall there.
If Berrigan was moved we have Lee and Houghton to step in.
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| Tony must be on a good wedge and so I cannot see us keeping him as cover !
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| Hard to say who I would keep until I know who is coming in. We need to keep the squad balanced so once we know who is coming in then it's easier to decide who to let go.
If Tony wants to stay I would sign a centre, if he wants to leave I would sign a fullback, either way I reckon Thorman will be gone and Horne and Long will be the halves combination.
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| Quote ="RockNRolla"He might be back at hooker next season.
If we fail to sign a quality centre then what chance Berrigan playing there?
Some intresting decisions to be made in the months ahead.'" Tony has always said that because of the position of his kids in the school process that he would move back down under at the end of this season! I don't think anything has changed!
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Hard to say who I would keep until I know who is coming in. We need to keep the squad balanced so once we know who is coming in then it's easier to decide who to let go.
If Tony wants to stay I would sign a centre, if he wants to leave I would sign a fullback, either way I reckon Thorman will be gone and Horne and Long will be the halves combination.'"
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Tony has always said that because of the position of his kids in the school process that he would move back down under at the end of this season! I don't think anything has changed!'"
I seem to recall an interview with him in the programme against Wakey
where he said if the club want him to stay then he would be happy to stay.
Just a case of wait and see i guess.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Imo Tony has nothing to prove he has plenty of times proved that he is a quality fb yes he has had a bad injury but so has Raynor. Raynor also lets the ball bounce quite often. Does he need to prove anything?
Greenshields has been class for Catalans and would be a good signing if Tony leaves.
I think alot of people have kind of got it in for Tony and whenever he makes a mistake quickly pounce to criticize him because they still wish to have Briscoe here.'"
If Motu leaves i think it will be a shame hes a great utility player.
However if he does and he goes back to the NRL which fullback spot do you see him taking over there ???
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Why is it different? Raynor also lets the ball bounce every now and then, putting the team in danger of not regaining the ball. Raynors a better winger tonys a better fullback.
So I don't see how the situation is totally different?
Just out of curiousity, was/are you a big fan on Briscoe?'"
IM A MASSIVE FAN WOOOOO WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOO BRISCOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On a serious note the only thing i see better in tony then briscoe is his return of the ball.
Positional Play NO This one a rate highly no point been nearly there.
To many times ive seen Motu just out of shot when its try time for the opposition.
When watching rovers this year briscoe is always there he might not always save the try but you have to be in to win it and that last ditch tackle might just save you a try and id say 50% of the time he does.
No point been out of camera shot thinking "i should of been there"
Defence NO
Catching The Ball NO
Support Play NO Horne and briscoe had a miles better understanding briscoe was always floating about the middle of the park looking for the half break and when there was Boom!!!! Try Time
When have you seen that in the last few years on a regular basis?? NEVER
This is all my opinion of course
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| Quote ="The Dentist Wilf"Tony has always said that because of the position of his kids in the school process that he would move back down under at the end of this season! I don't think anything has changed!'"
If Motu was offered contract he would stay, he and his family are settled here and love the club and the area. But at the moment he has had no discussions with the club regarding a new contract.
IMO I would be happy for the club to release other players and keep motu as our main utility player, providing we do sign a full back.
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| Quote ="Dave K."Is it different as we are talking about who to sign and who to release Tony's contract is up Raynors isnt.
I liked Briscoe, but also rate Tony, I can see the benifits in both players, but really dont want to get into that argument again.
If Tony was playing like he did in 2006 then i would no problem offering him a new contract, however he has only played a couple of times in a season and a half, he has had a couple of serious injuries lets see how he does int he next month. But we cant wait for him to prove himself as we might miss out on another fullback.'"
Pretty much how I see it as well. I'd want to see plenty of evidence of a return to form and absence of injury before thinking about another contract for Tony, and I'm not sure we have the time.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Imo Tony has nothing to prove he has plenty of times proved that he is a quality fb yes he has had a bad injury but so has Raynor. Raynor also lets the ball bounce quite often. Does he need to prove anything?
Greenshields has been class for Catalans and would be a good signing if Tony leaves.
I think alot of people have kind of got it in for Tony and whenever he makes a mistake quickly pounce to criticize him because they still wish to have Briscoe here.'"
Utter nonsense! Most Hull fans have been lucky enough to see many better fullbacks than Briscoe play for us. Kemble and Prescott could both sprint to a high ball and catch it diving. They were both fantastic under the high ball AND great in attack. I'm not suggesting we'll find an equal to these players easily but a fullback who's not great under the high ball is not a fullback. I'd love Motu to stay with us as a utility impact player but not as fullback.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"Tansey - no thanks, I have never liked him although he is highly rated.
Minnichello is an absolute no no, his back is knackered.'"
We will not sign mini as like paul said his back is knackered although I think karmichael hunt could be a possible.
Hunt your mission if you wish to except it is to bring back the glory days at hull fc this dream will blow up soon as canberra veto it
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| Quote ="Coach"IM A MASSIVE FAN WOOOOO WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOOOOOOOOOO BRISCOE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On a serious note the only thing i see better in tony then briscoe is his return of the ball.
Positional Play NO This one a rate highly no point been nearly there.
To many times ive seen Motu just out of shot when its try time for the opposition.
When watching rovers this year briscoe is always there he might not always save the try but you have to be in to win it and that last ditch tackle might just save you a try and id say 50% of the time he does.
No point been out of camera shot thinking "i should of been there"
Defence NO
Catching The Ball NO
Support Play NO Horne and briscoe had a miles better understanding briscoe was always floating about the middle of the park looking for the half break and when there was Boom!!!! Try Time
When have you seen that in the last few years on a regular basis?? NEVER
This is all my opinion of course
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| Quote ="Dave K."Tony's one on one defence is excellent, one of his strong points.'"
not bad but wouldnt say excellent Briscoe imo, is better one on one
Briscoes on the line defence is 10 x better also but thats more about reading the game better to be in that position in the first place.
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| Quote ="Coach"not bad but wouldnt say excellent Briscoe imo, is better one on one
Briscoes on the line defence is 10 x better also but thats more about reading the game better to be in that position in the first place.'"
I think they're both good but play a different style. I wanted Briscoe to stay but I'm happy with Motu.
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| Quote ="A unknown superstar"Imo Tony has nothing to prove he has plenty of times proved that he is a quality fb yes he has had a bad injury but so has Raynor. Raynor also lets the ball bounce quite often. Does he need to prove anything?
Greenshields has been class for Catalans and would be a good signing if Tony leaves.
I think alot of people have kind of got it in for Tony and whenever he makes a mistake quickly pounce to criticize him because they still wish to have Briscoe here.'"
I havent got it in for him hes a great bloke just not a quality fullback.
But saying that rather have him there then thorman any day of the week lol.
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