But why does Galea now need too worry about his passport?
It is now obvious that Webster is off or else we would have 6 in the none fed list when you include Mason so either both Webster and Galea are off due to the pre 08 rulE or neither of them are off surely?

The rules have evolved. We have been fortunate in being able to take fuller advantage of that evolution.

The four-tackle rule replaced unlimited tackles. In 1971, four was increased to six. These things happen.
Fair enough, you can't put a moral 'For the Good of England' slant on that and it impacted on evenly on all teams. But 'our' suspicion, one which is well-founded IMO, is that certain people expected these rules to impact on Hull KR especially adversely due to our immature player-production pathway, whereas overseas recruitment for 2008 turned out, unexpectedly, to be the most important factor. Hull FC were thus denied the opportunity to indulge in what you refer to as 'extreme hyprocrisy'. Plenty of opportunity for bitter recrimmination though - so every cloud.



I don't doubt that these people care about the England team - but in plenty of cases I suspect priorities are in this order:
1. Hull FC. 2. Hull KR. 3. England.

You only have to look at the reaction to non-selections or withdrawls from the England squad - 'oh well, at least he'll be fit and fresh for us'. [uSome[/u people don't seem to care much about England RL until it comes to justifying rules that they hope will affect Hull KR.

He doesn't have worry about it as such - it was just what needs to happen, IMO, for your '4 on [iboth[/i lists' statement to be correct.
Galea and Webster are both off non-fed, which we knew - we just didn't think it mattered. They both still count on quota (until Galea's passport comes through at least), along with Clinton, Dobson and Green. Hypothetically, if we wanted to bring a new overseas player to SL [inow[/i, it would have to be an EU or Kolpak qualified one. Galea gets his passport and we can sign Brad Myfamilyhaslivedinsydneyfortengenerations.

I think that's like what i put in my 'overview' isn't it, i think..... Who knows

With the new/old or whatever the they are rules then the 2008 rule has been abolished?

The way i see it is when Rovers release 5 of their 'foreigners' they'll still only have 1 overseas spot to fill. So they may well have a slight advantage now due to how their recruitment panned out but that will expire gradually!!

But that can't be right can it?
Quota now stands as Dobson, Clinton + Green.
None Fed stands as Dobson, Clinton, Green, Webster, Galea and Mason.
So unless i'm reading this wrong (sorry MR but i'm struggling with this one) that is 6 on the None Fed list which is to many.
The only way we can get around it is that Galea gets the 08 treatment but seeing as ATM he is just an Aussie doesn't that also mean that Webster gets it as a Kiwi?

Yes that is exactly how it is.
That is also something a few of us have been at pains to mention over and over again!
When Fisher, Vella, Newton and Lovegrove leave they are going to be replaced with homegrown or fed players.

It will revert to the old rules, forget the 08 rules and you can have up to ten kolpack/eu passport and 5 quota inclusive.

Hkr will stand at

Quota Dobson, green, Webster, Clinton and galea( for now )
Kolpack Newton, Vella, Mason, fisher.
Dispensation lovegrove.

At a guess anyway.

Galea and Webster are both fed-trained (200icon_cool.gif, but quota. You have Galea & Webster the other way around (non-fed but off quota) above. You need to add them both to your quota list to make 5, but remove them from the non-fed list, leaving 4.

@Sheldon - the rules are not new, they were just poorly understood. It isn't reverting to 2007 rules.

I hope your right mild rover.

It's no longer worth discussing Mrs B

The laws of arithmetic will catch up with them long before the laws of RFL will

That's how i understood it!!

So, two lists of 5 available to all clubs:

5 players quota (Australian or Kiwi passport holders)
5 non-fed (players' with a passport for a kolpak/APC country)

???

Us

Quota: O'Meley, Fitz
Non-fed: Manu, Lauaki, Moa

Please tell me I'm almost on track.

It depends whatpassport moa has!

We have;

Quota: O'Meley, Fitzgibbon
Non-Fed: Lauaki, Moa, O'Meley, Fitzgibbon

We have 3 quota spots available and 1 Non-fed.. Manu is not on quota as he is now a british citizen (5 yr rule (i think)) and not on 'Non-fed' list due to pre2008 rule!!

Manu would still be non fed.

No. Because he's pre 2008

It's not "bitter recrimination". The facts are that in 2007 we all signed up to reducing the number of overseas players and not exploiting loopholes. There is a broad spectrum of compliance with these agreed principles irrespective of changed technicalities and Rovers are the most cynical in their determination to avoid their commitment. The evidence is clear on this. Over 4 years there has been ample opportunity to deliver, but Rovers have chosen to prioritise their efforts into technical small print and dispensation seeking. I see you're back onto the "it'll be alright when Galea etc retire" passive laissez faire treadmill again, but as I predicted, you just get to a point where you believe that numbers of overseas players will actually come down and there's a real benefit to paying a fee to secure Westerman for 4 years, and Hudgell will be crawling all over any legislative loopholes he can find as law, inevitably,changes and presents new "opportunities" to avoid the agreed principles. Whilst you are rather snide about people conveniently playing the England RL card in this debate, why do you think the chairmen signed up to 5 overseas players by 2011? Oh, and

If it was agreed that there would only be 5 overseas players by 2011 does that mean all clubs with more then 5 have indeed gone back on their word regardless of how many over they are??

I take it the phrase "broad spectrum of compliance" was too complicated for you?

if you think having one extra is the same as 5 extra, you are clearly, well, a Hull KR supporter.

I'm lost

One word to sum this barrage of verbal diarrhoea !

"PARANOIA" = [i[size=85This condition manifests itself as an unwarranted tendency to interpret the actions of other people as deliberately threatening or demeaning. People with a paranoid personality disorder are suspicious of other people, and they are usually unable to acknowledge their own negative feelings towards others. [/size[/i
[uSymptoms include[/u:
Suspicion
Concern with hidden motives
Expects to be exploited by others
Inability to collaborate
Social isolation
Poor self image
Detachment
Hostility
Poor sense of humor.

It's taken me a bit of time but i've sussed it (i think

)

Once all of these pre 2008 players have retired/left we will have a simple 5 overseas (non-fed trained) players only.

Only once (maybe twice - Gene's dispensation might have applied only to him before going Kolpak/EU-wide, for about 10 minutes) have players at Rovers been subject to dispensations that were not universal throughout SL. That instance was with regard to Rhys Lovegrove, but subsequent changes have rendered it moot.

When you say 'broad spectrum of compliance', if you mean to the rules, as we now finally understand them, then the only issue for which we require mitigation is Lovegrove (in 2008 only). If you look at my 'history' on the Rovers board, you'll see Rovers have always been at or under the maximiums.
If you mean compliance to the Mrs Barista-defined spirit of the rules, then you will no doubt be quite correct.