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| Quote ="Cam Laing"- Sorry again as I have to disagree...
It may be news to some but Christ - as in the dude who walked through the area of Israel & Palistine is a Prophet in the Islamic faith - he is in the Quran just as he is in the Bible...
Is the challenge where people were born, their colour or their religion - pity nobody asked Nick that question because it may have exposed the real background to his beliefs.
For example - in the desert campaign the vast majority of troops fighting under Monty were actually from the Empire - the ANZAC guys had been there since the start (believe that it was 41 Inf Div) fighting alongside them were numerous Battalions of India Inf units... Oh and if anybody cares to go the 'Commonwealth' cemetery in el alamein there is clear evidence of the sacrifice made by a group of people who followed the Jewish faith
The India dudes clearly came from a foreign land and may have had a different colour and a different religion so they are not welcome...
The Jewish guys - clearly had a different religion - possibly came from a foreign land and may also have had a differnet colour skin so they are not welcome...
And finally the ANZACs may possibly have had a common religion with Nick & his RAF father BUT they are from foreign lands so they are not welcome...
Sure that we seem to refer to the victory in el alamein as a British one - are we really sure of that and I would love to know Nick the Muppets view on this...
And for the record I support FC who are Black & White... I was born in Cyprus with a British birth cert - if the BNP get in do I have to pack my bags under their orders because believe me my bags will already be packed - just hope that they will pay my ticket out if they ever get in...'"
Thanks for this great post wish I could have said it in as much detail. By the way I have gone back to the 1850 and my family have never moved any further than Stepney - which is Beverley Road area of Hull - until now when my family are now spreading all over the world but if the BNP ever had any power I would be in Cyprus with you
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Is it a 'Racist policy' or a 'Nationalistic policy'?'"
It discriminates on grounds of race. It's racist.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yes they are.
If you agree with a racist policy, you're a racist.
Simplez.'" Who the f&@k are you to imply I'm a racist, you jumped up moron.
Simplez!!!!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Who the f&@k are you to imply I'm a racist, you jumped up moron.
Simplez!!!!'"
I haven't implied anything about you. Unless you're saying that you agree with the racist immigration policy proposed by the BNP?
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| Quote ="Kosh"I haven't implied anything about you. Unless you're saying that you agree with the racist immigration policy proposed by the BNP?'" I don't, thank you very much. I also don't think everyone who agrees with their policy is racist. You're labelling people you don't know. Pathetic.
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| Some answers...
Yes they agree with the trade union movement. They have in fact formed they're own, It's called Solidarity and surprisingly is swiftly growing in numbers. It specialises mostly in defending their members who are being hounded for being members of a 'legal political party'.
How did they get the name 'Nazis'? Was it themselves that called themselves that? Or was it the press? Have you ever seen any BNP member wearing a swastika etc? I haven't.
Some information for Peter Hain.... There are Indian members of the BNP in Burnley and Blackburn.
Finally I'd like to add, no, I'm not a BNP member but I have been to some of their meetings as I was interested in what they had to say.
I was astonished, from expecting a room full of fat skinheads, instead was OAP's, and 'normal people' like a lot of the people on here. They weren't full of hate but good natured and many of them well spoken and completely literate. There was a complete absence of any 'Sieg Heling etc...' ( such are the stereotypes).
I'd be interested how many people who have posted on here frothing at the mouth have been to one of their meetings or read there policies or website. Not many I'd guess.
So.....I can only deduce that most information comes from one source.... the ever true and honest tabloid.
I don't agree with everything they say....far from it. But they are more in touch with the average guy in the street's feelings than any other party.....for good or bad, it's a fact. And denying that IS dangerous.
As for the' they only do the jobs that our lazy doleites won't do....please.
The industrial estate I work on alone is full of immigrants working in warehouses and factories. This isn't because they are more skilful or hard working than UK staff, it's that they'll work for less and won't refuse to work insane hours in clear breach of the working time directive.
One leading supermarket's warehouse on there being the worst culprit.
Finally, one daughter.....5 hours trailing round town in shop after shop looking for part time work to sub her college life.....to be told by a Polish (or similar) lass in a shoe shop that they had no vacancies.....
Any wonder people are fed up and looking for alternatives?
Shoot away!
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I don't, thank you very much. I also don't think everyone who agrees with their policy is racist. You're labelling people you don't know. Pathetic.'"
How can you agree with a racist policy and not be a racist?
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Said it previously, if you want to live in our country and have all its benefits, speak the language, abide by all rules and regulations and whatever faith you follow dont throw it in my face.
If thats racist the countrys fuc£ed.'"
How is the Costa del Sol these days?
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"I don't, thank you very much. I also don't think everyone who agrees with their policy is racist. You're labelling people you don't know. Pathetic.'"
If you stop walking like a duck and quacking like a duck, some of might believe you really aren't a duck
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| Quote ="Kosh"How can you agree with a racist policy and not be a racist?'"
I would say that's because in fact racism is hating foreigners at home OR abroad.
Nationalism is having a problem with them in the country of your birth for whatever reason. Maybe like wanting to take the country over with their own source of justice and religion.
But no-ones doing that are they?????
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| BTW...have also been keenly observing the English Defence League that welcome Blacks and Muslims into their fold ( I'm such a racist) I'd be very interested to see what people's views on them are.
Especially after looking at internet footage of radical muslims attacking them on OUR streets and some of the comments they were making as they laid the boot in.
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| Quote ="Kosh"How can you agree with a racist policy and not be a racist?'" For the 2nd time I don't. But I can certainly see the point of view of a 58 yr old man who was made redundant from his job 6 months ago and now things have picked up has been told he can't have his job back as an immigrant worker will work for next to nothing and against the working hours directive.
What was your view on the workers at the various refiniries around the country striking?
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| Quote ="Kosh"Yes they are.
If you agree with a racist policy, you're a racist.
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they may be racist in general but some policies arent racist to many. Be careful who you label.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"How is the Costa del Sol these days?'"
- also how many people who agree with Nick and Co have been out to the Red Sea say at Sharm or Hurghada at an All Inclusive hotel and drank beer in front of the local 'Muslim' waiter... shame on them
Oh and I hear that Dubai is doing well at the moment - guess a few beers are drank there...
Q. Has Nick and any of his memebers ever been convicted of an offence in the UK - if Yes then they don't Live by the Law of the land - shame on them
- I have never attended nor do I intend to attend a BNP party meeting, nor do I intend to read their 'policies' - I have no issue with those who do attend their meeting just hope that they remain in the minority and are 'picked' on by the majority just like they want to pick on the minorities... Democracy wouldn't live without it...
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| Quote ="denbo63"I would say that's because in fact racism is hating foreigners at home OR abroad.
Nationalism is having a problem with them in the country of your birth for whatever reason. Maybe like wanting to take the country over with their own source of justice and religion.
But no-ones doing that are they?????'"
No they are not, soft lad. Whatever makes you think they are?
And your potical attempt at differntiating between racism and nationalism is frankly just that - potical
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"- also how many people who agree with Nick and Co have been out to the Red Sea say at Sharm or Hurghada at an All Inclusive hotel and drank beer in front of the local 'Muslim' waiter... shame on them
Oh and I hear that Dubai is doing well at the moment - guess a few beers are drank there...
Q. Has Nick and any of his memebers ever been convicted of an offence in the UK - if Yes then they don't Live by the Law of the land - shame on them
- I have never attended nor do I intend to attend a BNP party meeting, nor do I intend to read their 'policies' - I have no issue with those who do attend their meeting just hope that they remain in the minority and are 'picked' on by the majority just like they want to pick on the minorities... Democracy wouldn't live without it...'"
So...... From that i deduce that no MP of any other party has ever been convicted? Archer? Aitken?
And the fact that you haven't bothered to read any policies brings me to the deduction that quite clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
Putting race aside for a moment....what are their other policies? Anyone?
I think mostly people remember the National Front and associate the BNP with them. An interesting aside I only found out recently, the BNP will oust anyone from the party who has any affiliation with the National Front or Combat 18 et al....
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| Quote ="cod'ead"No they are not, soft lad. Whatever makes you think they are?
And your potical attempt at differntiating between racism and nationalism is frankly just that - potical'"
You obviously don't live in an area where there is a big Muslim concentration.
Daft lad.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"No they are not, soft lad. Whatever makes you think they are?
And your potical attempt at differntiating between racism and nationalism is frankly just that - potical'"
Correct. Both the same.
I wont be racist and be nationalistic if every foreigner who wishes to live in this country behaves in the same manner.
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| Quote ="blakeysrobin"Correct. Both the same.
I wont be racist and be nationalistic if every foreigner who wishes to live in this country behaves in the same manner.'"
That's just it. They don't. Doesn't take much of a 'Google' to see how crime figures have shot up in areas that have had an influx of immigrants. Sadly this is true, and not crimes by the local inhabitants, everything from motoring offences to sexual ones. Hate to say it but....FACT!
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| Quote ="denbo63"So...... From that i deduce that no MP of any other party has ever been convicted? Archer? Aitken?
And the fact that you haven't bothered to read any policies brings me to the deduction that quite clearly you don't know what you're talking about.
Putting race aside for a moment....what are their other policies? Anyone?
I think mostly people remember the National Front and associate the BNP with them. An interesting aside I only found out recently, the BNP will oust anyone from the party who has any affiliation with the BNP or Combat 18 et al....'"
Pure quality... the BNP Membeship must be NIL if what you writing is correct...
For the record - I am not sure that I ever said that no MP has broken the Law - it is a simple case of Stones and Glasshouse...
And as previoulsy stated I have no desire to attend nor read the policies - but if you wish to point out some the real vote winners which you believe may interest me please feel free to post them and I will be more than happy to read them...
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| Quote ="denbo63"
Putting race aside for a moment....what are their other policies? Anyone?
I think mostly people remember the National Front and associate the BNP with them. '"
Yes, I've read their manifestos, they are almost comical
Quote ="denbo63"An interesting aside I only found out recently, the BNP will oust anyone from the party who has any affiliation with the BNP or Combat 18 et al....
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| Quote ="denbo63"I would say that's because in fact racism is hating foreigners at home OR abroad.'"
And you'd be wrong.
Trying to wriggle out by redefining the word 'racist' doesn't wash I'm afraid.
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| Quote ="Cam Laing"Pure quality...
the BNP Membeship must be NIL if what you writing is correct...
For the record - I am not sure that I ever said that no MP has broken the Law - it is a simple case of Stones and Glasshouse...
And as previoulsy stated I have no desire to attend nor read the policies - but if you wish to point out some the real vote winners which you believe may interest me please feel free to post them and I will be more than happy to read them...'"
If you can't be bothered to get yourself informed before you spout I'm not sure I can be d. Sorry.
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| Quote ="Kosh"And you'd be wrong.
Trying to wriggle out by redefining the word 'racist' doesn't wash I'm afraid.'"
Well the law would say different.
Racism is illegal. Nationalism isn't.
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| Quote ="denbo63"That's just it. They don't. Doesn't take much of a 'Google' to see how crime figures have shot up in areas that have had an influx of immigrants. Sadly this is true, and not crimes by the local inhabitants, everything from motoring offences to sexual ones. Hate to say it but....FACT!'"
Dont completly agree about crime figures or the sexual ones. Although having a valid driving licence and insurance is certainly alien to some.
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