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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"you propsed your viewpoint and haven't backed it up as to why it is valid and should be taken up as the 'fans view'.
Whilst following team sports is oft a very 'tribal' affair those of us where the sun is yellow and the sky is blue can differentiate between a sporting professional leaving a team having done his utmost on the field of play & fullfilling contractual agreements to say someone whom leaves one tribe to go fight with another against the very people they had left with the intention of doing actual real harm. Likewise with defectors whom have served to defend the interests of a country and its citizens to then turn against them by 'signing' for another team.
Clearly there are some like yourself that cannot make that leap between what is an acceptable everyday occurence such as leaving your job to move to another company within the same field (player transfer within the same sport) to the mostly unnacceptable changing of sides that often involves people getting hurt/killed or brings about suffering...which isn't normal.
You and your Tom Briscoe* haters (*replace with your own choice of any FC player that has ever left the club in the last 147.5 years) need to face up to the fact that your viewpoint has ZERO basis whatsoever & whilst you can obviously have a viewpoint given this is an open forum, don't make it out to be the viewpoint of fans when that viewpoint has no credibility whatsoeve.
As I said previously your vitriol is not appreciated by this FC fan nor do we want so called FC fans who seemingly have agendas with no basis behind them or those pulling out fictitious random b0ll0x out of their asses berating & potentially damaging the players who play for us with pride..'"
Nice post.
Only problem is, I'm not, or ever have been a Tom Briscoe 'hater'
HTH.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"
1. Money (hard to believe ha can earn more elsewhere) or;'"
As we don't know how much he's being paid or how much he's been offered by our rivals, it's impossible to say whether he'd get more elsewhere. But if he did go for more money, could you blame him?
Quote ="east hull FC fan"2. He thinks he has a better chance winning something somewhere else. This is a particular slap in the face to some fans, as it means he doesn't share the belief felt and shown by AP, PG or the fans that we will be challenging too. This is what leads to the animosity.'"
If he moved to someone like Salford, perhaps, but if he moved to, say, Leeds, he [iwould[/i have a better chance of winning trophies. That's not a slap in the face to anyone, it's just a fact. We don't know how long it will take for us to be regularly challenging amongst the game's elite, and we have no guarantees it will happen at all. I believe it will happen under Pearson and Gentle, but Leeds will probably win something else well before we do.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Ok, you have your opinion. I don't share that opinion as per the reasons stated above in the post to Standee.'"
I don't have a problem with your different opinion, I have a problem with you stating that your opinion is the 'fans view'. This thread has clearly shown that it isn't.
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| Quote ="Standee"You could explain how it's different?, someone has completed and agreed contract and is moving on because, they believe, it's the right thing for them and their family.
Is Miller joining us a sign of his inferior qualities as a human being, or Holdsworth when he left Salford, double standards, I think that is what RG is getting at.
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If I sell my house and move to a bigger one because I need more room, am I being disloyal to my former neighboursStupid and totally not relevant
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| Quote ="Basher"
If I sell my house and move to a bigger one because I need more room, am I being disloyal to my former neighboursStupid and totally not relevant'"
Why is it?
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| Quote ="Standee"Why is it?'" I wont get into one of your 'you are right arguments' but it is not- we are talking about a sportsman who has run his contract through and wishes to move on. Houses it aint and being loyal to a neighbour were did that come from.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Nice post.
Only problem is, I'm not, or ever have been a Tom Briscoe 'hater'
HTH.'"
Yes it was rather eloquent wasn't it.
However you say you're not a TB hater yet your posts in this thread all back up the others that say he is disloyal if he were to leave the club whom he works for to go work for someone else.
You've said what you said in your previous post but just because adding 10,000 fans whom follow ALL of the club (not just one tiny bit of it) in no way shape or form justifies the 'disloyal' tag that you've backed up. So either you've misunderstood what being called disloyal for no justfiable reason actually means and the impact that can have on another human being or you dislike Tom personally..which is it?
I could ask the same to the others on here whom have called him disloyal (who have now shut up because they are wrong) so could be awfully sweet and pass the same question onto them as well for me if you don't mind....
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| Quote ="Rock God X"As we don't know how much he's being paid or how much he's been offered by our rivals, it's impossible to say whether he'd get more elsewhere. But if he did go for more money, could you blame him?
If he moved to someone like Salford, perhaps, but if he moved to, say, Leeds, he [iwould[/i have a better chance of winning trophies. That's not a slap in the face to anyone, it's just a fact. We don't know how long it will take for us to be regularly challenging amongst the game's elite, and we have no guarantees it will happen at all. I believe it will happen under Pearson and Gentle, but Leeds will probably win something else well before we do.'"
That's your belief, but I think personally Tom doesn't have to make that call at 23. You can understand Manu last year, at 32 moving on for that reason. But at 23 I think it's too young to be a valid reason.
Money is a strange reason, I doubt anybody could offer him a significant enough amount more for him to choose a 'Salford'.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Yes it was rather eloquent wasn't it.
However you say you're not a TB hater yet your posts in this thread all back up the others that say he is disloyal if he were to leave the club whom he works for to go work for someone else.
You've said what you said in your previous post but just because adding 10,000 fans whom follow ALL of the club (not just one tiny bit of it) in no way shape or form justifies the 'disloyal' tag that you've backed up. So either you've misunderstood what being called disloyal for no justfiable reason actually means and the impact that can have on another human being or you dislike Tom personally..which is it?
I could ask the same to the others on here whom have called him disloyal (who have now shut up because they are wrong) so could be awfully sweet and pass the same question onto them as well for me if you don't mind....'"
Who's called him disloyal? And when did I back them up? Stop talking out your a**e pal, I've never said any such thing and those that have done will have their reasons. Nobody's right or wrong as no one fully knows Toms reason's.
The only thing I've ever said is that I could understand any fans resentment towards him. Understanding them feelings and me actually having them are two completely different things.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"That's your belief, but I think personally Tom doesn't have to make that call at 23. You can understand Manu last year, at 32 moving on for that reason. But at 23 I think it's too young to be a valid reason.'"
He doesn't 'have' to make that call at 23, but he may feel that he wants to. That's for him to decide and it doesn't make him less of a person if he decides to move on.
Quote Money is a strange reason, I doubt anybody could offer him a significant enough amount more for him to choose a 'Salford'.'"
Depends what he's on here and how he would fit into another team's cap structure. Salford's new owner has promised to break the salary cap anyway, so he can earn what he likes there.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"Money is a strange reason, I doubt anybody could offer him a significant enough amount more for him to choose a 'Salford'.'"
That comment alludes to how daft you are, we all go to work for money, if we won a significant amount on the lottery we (if we are honest and of sound mind) would bin work.
Same job, more pay = YES PLEASE, every day of every week, and twice on Sunday!
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| Quote ="Standee"That comment alludes to how daft you are, we all go to work for money, if we won a significant amount on the lottery we (if we are honest and of sound mind) would bin work.
Same job, more pay = YES PLEASE, every day of every week, and twice on Sunday!'" So you think that money is the main reason for a rugby player to move clubs? Maybe you should cast your mind back to what Kevin Sinfield said after winning the GF a few years back.
If I'm daft, you're border line idiotic. You seem completely unable to differentiate between a regular person earning 20-30k per year and a preofessional sports person earning 100k+.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"He doesn't 'have' to make that call at 23, but he may feel that he wants to. That's for him to decide and it doesn't make him less of a person if he decides to move on.
Depends what he's on here and how he would fit into another team's cap structure. Salford's new owner has promised to break the salary cap anyway, so he can earn what he likes there.'"
It doesn't make him less of a person, I agree. Although being the big Tom Briscoe Hater that I am I obviously think it does!
I can though, understand why people can resent his choice, that's all.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"So you think that money is the main reason for a rugby player to move clubs? Maybe you should cast your mind back to what Kevin Sinfield said after winning the GF a few years back.
If I'm daft, you're border line idiotic. You seem completely unable to differentiate between a regular person earning 20-30k per year and a preofessional sports person earning 100k+.'"
sigh, I'll leave it here, you don't get it, that's fine, enjoy your top end 30k job.
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| Quote ="Standee"maybe because I'm much nearer the latter than the former?'"
Yeah, that's it.
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| Quote ="east hull FC fan"icon_lol.gif
Yeah, that's it.'"
sorry, I forgot, you know me and what I earn......clearly.
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| Quote ="Standee"sorry, I forgot, you know me and what I earn......clearly.'"
Smithers, release the hounds.
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| Anyone else think Seb is Standee's love child?
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| Anyone fancy a pint?
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| Quote ="Standee"sigh, I'll leave it here, you don't get it, that's fine, enjoy your top end 30k job.'"
I cant be doing with people who tell us they earn 20k + me I am happy to say I earn 15 + cos I am not boasting like the Standee's . O but by the way I have a House worth £220 K
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| why do peoples earning ever crop up in forum squbbles? strange how everyone on a forum are high rollers innit? theres never just some bloke that works in a factory or something like that lol
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| oh hang on.... did that just happen? lol i take it back
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| Quote ="ComeOnYouUll"Anyone fancy a pint?'"
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| Players come and go - always have done and always will. Fans get attached to players then feel a tad aggrieved when it turns out that the player doesn't have the same undying allegiance to the cause as themselves. If Tom goes elsewhere in SL I will be disappointed that he doesn't see the near-mid term potential of the club to gain honours that many others do (fans and staff alike). It's his livelihood and his choice at the end of the day. He's an international class winger and therefore by definition bound to be missed. It would be better for the club if he stayed however it wont dent the club's ambition should he decide to.
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| Quote ="Hessle Roader"Just as an afterthought, I really hope Tom doesn't read this forum. If he did, he would realise the low esteem in which he is held by certain individuals and will think that leaving is the best thing he can do.'"
Tom, if you're reading this then please stay with us
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