Help yourself.

Great post Carl (crying with laughter at the turd comment!). I think that is a good theory on what Crook's thoughts might have been and are now. I also agree with your worries about player worth. The "over the odds" wages that were alluded to when Radders and Motu were appointed certainly needed addressing but not to the point were we do a complete 180. We now seem to even be reluctant to sign up some of our youngsters like Abdull and Lancaster.

Unfortunately AP believes we can follow the Leeds model, were all players could earn more elsewhere but they buy in to the view that winning trophies consistently overcomes the 10 - 15% shortfall in income. That and the possibility that they earn bonuses for each trophy collected.

This cannot work at the moment at FC as we lack the strength and depth of squad and quality. Therefore there is little choice but to pay over the odds, or at least match the best salaries, which is made more difficult with clubs like Salford willing to inflate wages.

sorry, more excuses, Salford operate in the same cap as we should, it is time people realised (B)Radford couldn't drive a coach, let alone coach a professional club.

Sorry, and I don't want to be rude, but smell the coffee folks, he couldn't run a bath.

The way I see it is that the club has other issues aswell, and changing the coach won't suddenly see us winning trophies and competing at the top. However, unless something big is going on that no one has caught wind of yet, these other off field problems are fairly minor, and simply aren't an excuse for the large number of woeful performances we have dished out this year.

The argument that the Radford supporters seem to be going with now is that McRae shafted us and now we have a squad that isn't good value for money, and I would agree with that to an extent. This might have been a valid excuse had we stagnated and ended up 6th or 7th, but it isn't an excuse for us having the worst season in 15 years.

We are now going to have at least 2 years of rebuilding to get anywhere near where we want to be. The first act of this process has to be to get a coach in who has vision and experience, so that he can oversee this period. Radford simply isn't the man to do this.

or a p*ss up in a brewery .... oh hang on.........

Do you really stand by woeful performances?

We've won 7 and lost 13 with 1 draw, including 2 stuffing's by the Pie's. Now with that record you'd expect to be well into negative points difference, but we're still plus 43, a better points difference than the five teams above us.

I'd say more inability to win matches we should/could have, rather than woeful performances.

Woeful performances aren't always the games we get stuffed in. Widnes at the KC was a woeful performance for example.

So was the 2nd half against Wakey.

Everyone knows how high we would be up the table if we had won most of the games we have lost by 1 try or less. But even if we had won these games the level of performance, skill and entertain is still woeful.

Not every performance has been woeful, but we've played woeful much more often than we've played well.

We're on Sky on Thursday , I'm sure they'll be plenty of fans telling Radford he's past his sell by date .

Its going to be cringe worthy Thursday night watching it in the pub, worst sl attendance for us, and the booing and Radford out chants. Its going to be a sad night

Thats what I'm looking forward to. If we win, it's a sticking plaster over a bullet wound. If we win the remaining games, then what?

Radford is going nowhere. The club was left with a mess post-McRae and this season unfortunately has become a 'going backwards to go forwards' season. It's sport, sometimes it has to suck before the good times come along. We've come through worse times before, we'll come through this. Ride out the storm, allow the reshaping to happen, with an exciting half-back partnership and some very promising youngsters, things will soon right themselves.

Pearson gives Radford the Guildhall clock

If Radford is still head coach then nothing will right itself

Well it seems that Radford has Jamie Peacock trained to perfection, at least.

I've just watched the tries from Friday night on the SL show and have to say it was pathetice. Looked to me a very similar display of no effort at all from the players as we saw at huddersfield last season. Thank god wigan only had a bunch of kids playing and didn't click until the half hour mark or it could have been far, far worse. Looked to me like none of the players were interested in tackling

just wondering, would you take a Hull FC team winning games and playing(play-offs etc) "woeful" or playing good rugby but losing(hanging where we are now)?

Right now I'd take one or the other, however it's a flawed question as "good rugby" will invariably lead to wins

Unfortunately this stinks of Pearson getting it catastrophically wrong in appointing the goon as head coach initially, then not having the Stuart McCalls to admit it was wrong. He NEEDS to ditch the crazy fool before he does any more damage to our once great club. You can sign as many players as you like AP but if you have Mr Bean driving an F1 car he's never gonna win a race! Time to do the decent thing Radders and DO ONE!

Rowan Atkinson is an accomplished race-driver. Just saying.

Yeah your absolutely right Diablo.

But the depressing fact is now is that even Mr Bean is better equipped at something than our bewildered leader!

Actually an above average driver, topped the top gear lap