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| Quote ="mat"He's already got a visa on basis that he has no convictions. He has to inform immigration about his change in circumstances when he arrives in uk and they then have power to revoke visa, and it's largely down to individual officers interpretations of rules. Certainly don't think it's as cut and dried as your chairmans trying to make out.'"
Pretty much what I've been saying. He needs to inform UKBA before he travels though, not when he arrives.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Three times over the legal limit probably means more like 8-10 pints though. Then trying to escape the police. Hardly a minor offence yet lots of morons on here seem to think it should be all just swept under the carpet just because he wasnt an FC player at the time.
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I read twice over, 80 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres in his breathe test but I'm not splitting hairs over is over.
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| Quote ="major black"I read twice over, 80 micrograms of alcohol per 100 millilitres in his breathe test but I'm not splitting hairs over is over.'"
it was twice over from what I read, the guy is obviously trouble and we should have learnt our lesson, I just take solace in the fact he was a Fubar signing. (at least I think he was???)
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| Clean slate for me as far as i'm concerned...
I'm not condoning what he's done and think drink drivers are idiots, he's had his troubles over there but players over there are like Premiership footballers here, they can't fart without getting a fine.
The quiet life might suit him a lot better.
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| Quote ="Team Maverick"Clean slate for me as far as i'm concerned...
I'm not condoning what he's done and think drink drivers are idiots, he's had his troubles over there but players over there are like Premiership footballers here, they can't fart without getting a fine.
The quiet life might suit him a lot better.'"
so because he gets media attention it excuses repeatedly flouting the law?
the quiet and almost anonymous life will probably find him propping up the bar in Weir or Top House, and we know how that went for Berrigan.
I hope he proves me wrong.
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| Quote ="Standee"so because he gets media attention it excuses repeatedly flouting the law?
the quiet and almost anonymous life will probably find him propping up the bar in Weir or Top House, and we know how that went for Berrigan.
I hope he proves me wrong.'"
top house has closed down so he won't go in there
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| Quote ="dayvoz"top house has closed down so he won't go in there'"
Well that's OK then
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"Is bringing in players to your own club that have had many problems at previous clubs just not asking for trouble?'"
You have to judge them on their current situation and when Hull signed Seymour he had been off the drink for a while and was performing very well with NZW.
Is hanging on to players who have behaved badly not asking for trouble. How long did it take for Rovers to get rid of Cockayne? Is Watts now a risk.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"Three times over the legal limit probably means more like 8-10 pints though. Then trying to escape the police. Hardly a minor offence yet lots of morons on here seem to think it should be all just swept under the carpet just because he wasnt an FC player at the time.
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So because people don't agree with you they are morons are they?
Stop being childish and cut out the abuse. You have you opinion which is fine, others have their's.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"You have to judge them on their current situation and when Hull signed Seymour he had been off the drink for a while and was performing very well with NZW.
Is hanging on to players who have behaved badly not asking for trouble. =#FF0000How long did it take for Rovers to get rid of Cockayne? Is Watts now a risk.'"
Same with FC when they had problems with players like King(drinking culture), a long time.
Watts is a young lad and hopefully learned from what happened, didn't exactly come into the club with known problems as some of your signings have done.
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So because people don't agree with you they are morons are they?
Stop being childish and cut out the abuse. You have you opinion which is fine, others have their's.'"
What s surprise, Paul M attacking my post!
And yes if people think that just because this didnt happen whilst he was playing for our club (though its very close to it) then it should be ignored then they are morons and are probably the same people whove slated Cockayne and Watts for a similar indiscretion eh Paul
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| The issue in oz is that dd is not looked upon as bad as it is over in the UK. The chavs or bogans as they're known here see a dd offense as a kind of stripe. I'm no way excusing what he's done, and would never dream of dd'ing but it happens over here a lot more than in the uk. Hell, people even drink whilst bloody driving!!!!
I cant see how the dd can mean his visa will be revoked or is it the 'evading police' that's the issue?
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| Quote ="PAUL M"So because people don't agree with you they are morons are they?
Stop being childish and cut out the abuse. You have you opinion which is fine, others have their's.'"
And yet when people don't agree with you, they're knee-jerkers. Go figure.
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| Quote ="GM1"I cant see how the dd can mean his visa will be revoked or is it the 'evading police' that's the issue?'"
It's the fact that he now has a criminal conviction that has changed his circumstances since the visa was issued that is the potential problem
He's gone from a "normal" applicant to a "Crocker" and the fact of the conviction and the sentence could (not saying they will) affect the visa.
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| For mine he has possibly cut his own throat and thrown away (possibly) a good earner that'd go some way of setting himself up after his carreer is over. I would still have him here as he has what it takes and what we need in the half backs.
My main worry now would be the UKBA allowing/denying him entry, not wholely because of the conviction, but because the way I see it is that the UKBA will play it by the book because of all the bad press it's had on 'relaxing' the rules these last two weeks.
If he gets through I think he will want to prove a point (again) and be a cracking signing........and could just be the responsibility that he needs to help the youngsters on by saying to them look how easy it is to throw it all away.
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| Quote ="Rupert Pupkin"
Watts is a young lad and hopefully learned from what happened, didn't exactly come into the club with known problems as some of your signings have done.'"
Aye you wont see him behaving badly again or fighting with bouncers at the pubs near Xscape after an England Knights game
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| Quote ="Chris28"It's the fact that he now has a criminal conviction that has changed his circumstances since the visa was issued that is the potential problem
He's gone from a "normal" applicant to a "Crocker" and the fact of the conviction and the sentence could (not saying they will) affect the visa.'"
Are they still as strict as when we had the problems though? Or did they get rid of the strpooy bitch in Oz who was causing the problems?
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Aye you wont see him behaving badly again or fighting with bouncers at the pubs near Xscape after an England Knights game
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| Quote ="Hutchie"Are they still as strict as when we had the problems though? Or did they get rid of the strpooy bitch in Oz who was causing the problems?'"
They're still fairly strict but I think the publicity they had when the Wicked Witch of the West was in charge calmed things a bit.
Me 'n' our kid makes a good point though. UKBA may want to appear tougher in view of recent stories about immigration.
This could all be a storm in a teacup, but I'm not convinced that it's as plain sailing as some seem to think (inc AP)
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| Quote ="Standee"so because he gets media attention it excuses repeatedly flouting the law?
the quiet and almost anonymous life will probably find him propping up the bar in Weir or Top House, and we know how that went for Berrigan.
I hope he proves me wrong.'"
Like I said drink drivers are idiots............
But we all get into a little mischief when we've had a few and he's only human too, but the problem is we didnt have camera crews following us round 24/7
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| Quote ="Team Maverick"Like I said drink drivers are idiots............
But we all get into a little mischief when we've had a few and he's only human too, but the problem is we didnt have camera crews following us round 24/7'"
It's never crossed my mind once to drive after a drink. So you cannot say it is something everyone does. I would say it's the minority who get behind the wheel after a drink.
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| Quote ="Father ted crilly"
It's never crossed my mind once to drive after a drink. So you cannot say it is something everyone does. I would say it's the minority who get behind the wheel after a drink.'"
Indeed. And it's more serious than 'a little mischief', too.
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| Quote ="Sebasteeno"What s surprise, Paul M attacking my post!
And yes if people think that just because this didnt happen whilst he was playing for our club (though its very close to it) then it should be ignored then they are morons and are probably the same people whove slated Cockayne and Watts for a similar indiscretion eh Paul
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same people who defended King to the last, but it's OK, once you're a moderator you can be as abusive as you like, ask GML.
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| He's been a plonker and I don't condone it & he is yet to arrive at the club. I have no problem with him as long as when he does get here he tows the line and is a model pro. He should I hope be warned about his conduct whilst at Hull FC.
Hopefully he will take this opportunity & use it wisely and rip it up in SL, if not then he should be sent packing.
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