no grounds paul just a feeling.

a bit like now?

We spoke to him or his agent back in Nov/Dec but we ended up signing Thorman. I very much doubt we would want him now. Hull are looking for a top SH for 2010 so bringing him over would make no sense. He does the same job as Horne really and we have Hall and Motu for FB.

Thorman plays like a 7 for me and likes to organise and kick whereas Horne likes to do little organising and only kicks now and then.

3 no. 6's in my estimation!

I think we more than spoke to him, we wanted him and made him an offer he turned us down opting to stay in NZ, we wouldn't have signed Thorman if we'd got Witt to come over. He was our first choice.

I dont really buy into the whole hes a 6 not a 7 tbh. The way Hull play we could name Horne at 7 and Thorman at 6 and both would still play the same type of game.

Its like Leeds, do you think Burrows is a scrum half ? Sinfield is always the organiser and majority of times is at 1st reciever but hes named at 13.

Fully agree. If we get him though we won't get a SH for 2010 and that's what I want.

That's my view too.

I don't see the point in signing him just incase Thorman or Horne are to get injured. There are players within the squad who can cover the halfback positions for a few games. Only if a longer injury occured, should we be thinking about bringing in another halfback.

I agree numbers are irrelevant, what I am saying is Horne and Witt are both runners which imo would leave us unbalanced in the halves.

unless he signs a year deal.

Witt will organise a side alot more than Thorman imo.

Not convinced myself, he drifts in and out of games quite a lot. He never organised NZW last season.

Don't get me wrong he is a top player, capable of brilliance at times and he is blessed with some fantastic skills. I would just rather keep our options open for a SH in 2010.

Makes more sense but then Agar can't sign a utility back that he has been talking about.

i'd agree.

I havent seen Thorman organise a side since he left London

TBH i just dont see what Thorman brings to the side. The odd good kick thats all, whereas Witt will bring that and a hell of alot more.

Who like for 2010 though ? Please dont say Orford

scott prince! but only if hull kr let us.

tbh i'd take orford, why wouldnt you?

I would love to have Orford here but theres more chance of Danny 2 playing 7 for Hull next season.

I agree those who are holding out for Orford are going to be disappointed.
Witt is available now and we have a spot, it doesn't take a lot of working out.

Witt is a better player than Thorman and Horne imo so I would like him to sign as a player. My only worry would be how well they worked together.

I would prefer a SH who would control and dictate games, I have no preference tbh but I would certainly take Orford, always been a fan of his.

why? he'll be 32/33 and looking for a big pay deal.

I just dont think we can hold on for a better player than Witt. Everyone is in dreamland with regards Orford.

He'll be 31 and theres no doubt he'll stay at Manly.

I don't expect Orford to sign for Hull.

My preference would be an out and out no.7. I know the clubs have been looking into this but not sure where they are with it.

If we have nobody lined up then going for Witt would make sense, its just the balance between him and Horne that would need tweaking, they are both intelligent players so I guess it could possibly work.

Maybe I am just being too hopeful about a SH for 2010.

TBH we havent had an organiser type of scrum half since T.Smith.