EHFC is right IMO, that pass was on, and if it had been taken we'd have been under the sticks.

The biggest disappointment for me tonight was the Walker try, the defence by Watts, and especially Lynch was awful. That try was the worst example of goal line defence I can remember for a long time.

We've dropped 5 points all season against teams outside the 8.
Plus well worth having some time off. Bodies break. You can't smash them, run them, grind them constantly. It's a long season and energy levels have to be managed, think it was 5days off, not much fitness wise but a good break to freshen minds and bodies

I think our attitude is wrong against the 'lesser' teams, We don't have that intensity in defence and some players seem to think it will easy to win and has cost us points . We do miss Ogre when he's not on the pitch with Lynch not looking the same this season and also missed Ellis presence last night.

As I posted on another thread PG on the red button after the game basically agreed that the players did not appear to get up for these games and the players needed an attitude adjustment. He also thought if we had have been playing Wigan or Warrington we would have defended better.

So he recognises we have a problem when it comes to these type of games, it will be interesting to see what he does about it for the Wakey game as it is not the first time this season we have had a performance like this.

The full team didnt toss it off...some stayed at home and trained

Agree with all of this. O'Meley was the only forward who showed any intensity last night and we really missed Ellis' leadership. I'm not sure what's happened with Lynch. Last season he was excellent, seems to be going through the motions at times this season. Last night we needed a leader in the forwards - and I wonder whether Gentle's decision to take the captaincy from Lynch has affected his state of mind.

Having said that it wasn't just Lynch - as a collective the pack lacked intensity in defence and that, IMO, was the main reason we lost.

The top sides turn up every week. We don't at the moment and that needs to change if we are to start challenging the top 4.

Paea will add some grunt, but I'd like to see another leader brought in to the pack to support Ellis. Oh, and I'd give Lynch the vice captaincy such that he captains the side in Ellis' absence. Houghton leads by example, but he's not captaincy material IMO.

Good post and some good points...Agree about Lynch and the captaincy and i would give the vice-capt to Whiting.

Props are ineffective other than o'meley. Watts is better as the 5th prop playing at 13 and green is only finding his way in the team and needs the players around him to be performing better. Johnson not big enough, lynch out of form or maybe on the way down, Bowden not given enough game time and pitts isn't a prop IMO. We need paea and another big prop or next season will be a washout. We shouldn't be getting dominated by Castleford.

galea is a waste of a shirt. Why does he automatically come back in? He's immobile and the play stops as soon as he gets the ball. Should have played pitts in the 2nd row last night and had either Johnson or Bowden in the 17 instead of galea

Houghton's distribution from dummy half continues to be a problem but then we miss his defence when he goes off.

As for crookes, anyone who thinks he's an adequate replacement for Briscoe needs to actually start watching the game.

We're still a long way off challenging IMO

Perfectly summed up

Wouldnt say we are a long way off.......Like you say,2 new props would massively improve us....Gentle has now got the pivots he wants in Macdonnel,DJ,Miller and Houghton/Azza...now its time to sort the pack out..for me these can go..Lynch,Galea,Johnson and Westerman..along with Ogre going we will need some in but 2 props and maybe a 2nd rower and maybe a winger to replace Crookes,could be Gentles 1st dodgy signing.

I also think FC are either lazy or arrogant against the smaller clubs. Too many times they dont do the hard work and let the forwards lay a platfrom but think they can throw the ball around like the harlem globetrotters and win at a canter which like i say is either lazyness of arrogance or maybe a bit of both

We scored early against both rovers and cas and it's probably the worst thing that can happen as we seem to switch off. Last night we got back in front but I think the try just before half time seemed to have the same effect. The good teams are good because they perform consistently whereas we don't

Agree with that. Seems to me we came out second half thinking we were in charge and consequently weren't focused enough. The defending for their three tries in 5 minutes was as bad as I've seen us in years.

There was also a distinct lack of leadership last night

Our forwards did not have the right intensity and there was some sloppy tackling by Watts, Lynch and Whiting. That said we should still have won the game. We panicked far too much with the ball and showed no patience.

Don't know what our completion rate Was but I can barely remember an attacking kick on the last play in their 20

We didn't build any pressure, disrespected Cas and assumed we could score at will.

Crooked was knackered after 20 minutes last night and for me was the worst player on the park....westerman was everywhere and I thought if he made mistakes it was only because he was covering other players that didn't turn up. O'meley was great so that says a lot about the other props....lynch did nothing

Lynch was good first half and lifted us with some strong carries and strong defence when he came on. He also put Watts in the clear for Azza's try. He was poor along with the rest of the pack during the 6 sets in a row against us in the second half and will be embarrassed by his effort on the soft try.

Why does it? O'Meley was & still is a very good prop.

Agreed.
Ogre and Horney probably been our most consistent performers in 2013 when on the park.